Rapture

Vigil wrote:
Geothermic vents would be a good source I guess, if we were that deep, help I beat you could get some Solar energy if angled it correctly.

I ran through the game real quick. They use geothermal energy from underwater volcanoes.

Vigil wrote:No reason to get rid of religion here.

Then we extremism and gay people and homophobes all in one place.

Vigil wrote: Tracking them wouldn't be too difficult, but Hacking would be a major problem, unless they were locked with bioscanners, even then the system isn't without it's flaws.

So basically no automated turrets.

Question? Why would you have ports that let in seawater in the first place? Just have the pods able to hermetically seal off, blocking off air.

Gangs... Well, there's always security cameras, pressure pads, and motion detectors.

I would suggest building close to the surface so water pressure won't be an insurmountable problem, but far enough away that the tides and weather won't bother you.

Underwater seems to be the next step for colonization. It has the advantages of being close to civilvation, so if anything goes wrong it could be salvaged/evaculated. The materials are delivered with rather than against gravity. Once they get there, however, problems we would face in extra-earthly situations (food production in an artificial enviroment, construction of that enviroment, isolation, pressure, ect...) would be faced, serving as proof-of-concept models for when we do leave earth.

BTW, i'd suggest the use of current and tidal generaters for the production of electricity, since we're(G.E. at least) already putting them in the water to get power for land. And why would gangs be more significant underwater?

Rasq'uire'laskar wrote:Question? Why would you have ports that let in seawater in the first place? Just have the pods able to hermetically seal off, blocking off air.

Gangs... Well, there's always security cameras, pressure pads, and motion detectors.

I would suggest building close to the surface so water pressure won't be an insurmountable problem, but far enough away that the tides and weather won't bother you.

Security cameras can't do shit. In fact, they help if they get hacked. Pressure pads will only set off alarms if someone steps on it with in this case won't stop a gang from hiding weapons.

Motion detectors also, won't stop a gang from hiding weapons. Motion detectors pick up everyone.

Since you're creating a new enviroment and neccesarily control who's pressent(any mean of transportation to said enviroment having a high initial cost, and thats allowing for a public harbor) why are gangs such an issue.

And even if gangs do form, why are they a greater problem underwater than they are on the surface?

Tylertlat wrote:Since you're creating a new enviroment and neccesarily control who's pressent(any mean of transportation to said enviroment having a high initial cost, and thats allowing for a public harbor) why are gangs such an issue.

And even if gangs do form, why are they a greater problem underwater than they are on the surface?

Gangs are harder to locate, and have more power. See on the surface, if they raid a warehouse, no one cares. But underwater, all land is needed. Gangs end up with more land than the leaders.

Actually, I don't see how gangs would be more of a problem underwater than above the surface. In fact, they'd be much easier to track down, as there would be a limited space for them to operate in. A gang's mobility would be severely hampered, because they wouldn't be able to, say, duck out of town for a few weeks or anything like that. They also wouldn't be able to import or export guns or anything else from the surface, as the government would control the ports.

Zaki90 wrote: But underwater, all land is needed

Why would gangs form? As you said, everything present is there by neccesesity, no one's gonna intentionally import squallor, or even superfluous regions needed to nurse newly formed gangs.

Zaki90 wrote:

Tylertlat wrote:Since you're creating a new enviroment and neccesarily control who's pressent(any mean of transportation to said enviroment having a high initial cost, and thats allowing for a public harbor) why are gangs such an issue.

And even if gangs do form, why are they a greater problem underwater than they are on the surface?

Gangs are harder to locate, and have more power. See on the surface, if they raid a warehouse, no one cares. But underwater, all land is needed. Gangs end up with more land than the leaders.

In that case we would be seeing gangs form and take over in every remote community, which we aren't.

This is besides the point, however. While an underwater city is an interesting hypothetical concept, it would take far more money to build than we will ever realistically have. If we were to plan a Crimson Flame rapture, it would be more logical to go with one of the remote islands in the pacific. A colony there could be more effectively maintained with considerably less effort than an underwater city, while serving the same purpose.

Rotaretilbo wrote:Actually, I don't see how gangs would be more of a problem underwater than above the surface. In fact, they'd be much easier to track down, as there would be a limited space for them to operate in. A gang's mobility would be severely hampered, because they wouldn't be able to, say, duck out of town for a few weeks or anything like that. They also wouldn't be able to import or export guns or anything else from the surface, as the government would control the ports.

I'm not sure if you have ever seen a submarine. Submarines would practically be tanks. They can easily manage a hideout. Their mobility would decrease, but their morale and ability to hold ground would gradually capture the city.

Zaki90 wrote:

Rotaretilbo wrote:Actually, I don't see how gangs would be more of a problem underwater than above the surface. In fact, they'd be much easier to track down, as there would be a limited space for them to operate in. A gang's mobility would be severely hampered, because they wouldn't be able to, say, duck out of town for a few weeks or anything like that. They also wouldn't be able to import or export guns or anything else from the surface, as the government would control the ports.

I'm not sure if you have ever seen a submarine. Submarines would practically be tanks. They can easily manage a hideout. Their mobility would decrease, but their morale and ability to hold ground would gradually capture the city.

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On a submarine, even a very large one, there's a set number of entrances and exits to an area.
"Hacking the security cameras" is laughable. You're assuming that the security cameras would operate on the same network as public terminals, or even private terminals, as opposed to a closed system.
Pressure pads tell you where people are. Same with motion detectors. It may not tell you who's who, but it'll tell you where they are.

And when people become a problem, stick out like nails, it's time to drop the hammer. Ever hear of the Mechanical Hound?

Anyhow, it's kind of a moot subject. Not only would underwater cities be impractical, but 'evacuation' in the event of a breach is impossible. Underwater cities are not the next step. Cities that reach to the sky and burrow into the ground are.

Rasq'uire'laskar wrote:
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On a submarine, even a very large one, there's a set number of entrances and exits to an area.
"Hacking the security cameras" is laughable. You're assuming that the security cameras would operate on the same network as public terminals, or even private terminals, as opposed to a closed system.
Pressure pads tell you where people are. Same with motion detectors. It may not tell you who's who, but it'll tell you where they are.

I am assuming that these wiring would be inside and run across Rapture. It would only that time before they are cut.

I believe pressure pads are things that if you put weight on them it measures it.

And you can easily distract people with motion detectors because of their inability to track specific objects.

Rasq'uire'laskar wrote:And when people become a problem, stick out like nails, it's time to drop the hammer. Ever hear of the Mechanical Hound?

Sometimes to many nails stick out at once before you have a chance to stop it. Before you know it, the entire place collapses.

Rasq'uire'laskar wrote:Anyhow, it's kind of a moot subject. Not only would underwater cities be impractical, but 'evacuation' in the event of a breach is impossible. Underwater cities are not the next step. Cities that reach to the sky and burrow into the ground are.

I feel like the underwater world has been untouched by humanity, and should remain untouched unless truly necessary. So if this is in a case that this a underwater city is necessary, how would it be run correctly?

And thats the main question here.

What if we made this "Rapture" so that half of it was above the surface, and half was underwater?

And gangs couldn't really do much... who could have a police force walking around. Plus, if they fired a weapon in the wrong place, a seal could burst and destroy the whole city.