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Re: The God Who Wasn't There

Post by Toaster on Sat Feb 14, 2009 5:41 pm

Civbase wrote:*sigh*
I'm sorry if some people are idiots, but WTF? You people look for the worst possible things you can find and try to insist that every religious person is like that. GET A LIFE!

I think the idea of the video is that those crazies, the ones that take EVERY SINGLE PART of the bible as ABSOLUTE FACT and actually think that gays should be burned at the stake are the only ones who are truly following the bible as it was written to be followed.

You say that the bible is the word of god and yet you do not agree with them?

The video is making the point that, from a bible perspective, being a moderate Christian is not being Christian. The fundamentalist Christians are the only true Christians.
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Re: The God Who Wasn't There

Post by kslidz on Sat Feb 14, 2009 5:45 pm

no read the new testament not the old
the old as jesus says (the old is the law) we have been freed from it

although that doesnt mean we need to sin but the way i look at it
unsaved people do unsaved things all the time and no one sin is different from the other
so i believe homosexuality is wrong (i know for a fact and so does every one else that lesbianism is a choice) i know its a choice genes play a role but genes also play a role in criminals behavior genes dont make people do stuff they make them more likely to do stuff

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Re: The God Who Wasn't There

Post by Toaster on Sat Feb 14, 2009 5:52 pm

kslidz wrote:no read the new testament not the old
the old as jesus says (the old is the law) we have been freed from it

although that doesnt mean we need to sin but the way i look at it
unsaved people do unsaved things all the time and no one sin is different from the other
so i believe homosexuality is wrong (i know for a fact and so does every one else that lesbianism is a choice) i know its a choice genes play a role but genes also play a role in criminals behavior genes dont make people do stuff they make them more likely to do stuff

The fact that you've seen a few lesbian porn videos does not make you an expert. While I'm sure many girls chose to do it out of curiosity or for money, that figure does not represent the millions of women who are legitimately attracted to women.

You're right, it's some what of a choice. They feel the urges... but they don't have to fulfill them... but that's like someone telling you that you are never allowed to have sex with a women ever in your entire life.
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Re: The God Who Wasn't There

Post by Rasq'uire'laskar on Sat Feb 14, 2009 5:59 pm

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CivBase wrote:The video is one hour long! I'm not going to watch that!

I'm not saying it should be taught in schools you twit, I'm saying that neither evolution or religion should be taught in schools.

Now they're even teaching global warming in schools... sad. Keep your dumb theories out of schools!

I swear....

I agree with this, they should religion out of school. It only causes war and delusions.
Yes, Cambodia and the USSR are perfect examples of a peaceful, tolerant, athiest society.

I won't claim that atheists are inherently warlike and intolerant, but people will take any reason, religious or secular, to justify what they do.

KristallNacht wrote:I'm not sure. It seems too crazy to be real, but then again, some people are THAT crazy....
Yeah, those guys are weird. But check these guys out. I actually ran into them at the Inauguration.

Either Bob Avaikan is the newspaper's sole editor, reporter, and the president of the Party, or he's their God. Check out what they say about Obama.

As for lesbianism, homosexualism, and all that stuff.

If it's a choice, we call that bisexualism.
If it's a compulsion, like how straight guys are attracted to girls, it's called homosexuality. And yes, people can ignore those urges, like priests (the good ones) stay celibate.
We can treat it. And we can lock up the retards who go gay-bashing.
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Re: The God Who Wasn't There

Post by kslidz on Sat Feb 14, 2009 6:07 pm

there is no scientific proof that lesbianism is effected by the way people are created

there is some proof that genes have an effect on whether one is gay
but as the man who found the gay gene marker said himself "saying that Xq28(gay gene marker) makes you gay is like saying that having dark hair and brown eyes makes you better at using chopsticks"

it is all a choice therefore the choice you make you are reliable and held responsible for it

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Re: The God Who Wasn't There

Post by KristallNacht on Sat Feb 14, 2009 6:48 pm

actually, homosexuality is linked to hormone levels in the womb....not any gay gene
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Re: The God Who Wasn't There

Post by kslidz on Sat Feb 14, 2009 7:02 pm

well there is a gay gene marker oh well
thats beside the point

it just like anger and how some are more prone to it than others can be controlled

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Re: The God Who Wasn't There

Post by KristallNacht on Sat Feb 14, 2009 7:33 pm

the gene marker is probably false. its a coincidence.
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Re: The God Who Wasn't There

Post by PiEdude on Sat Feb 14, 2009 9:31 pm

Didn't watch the video.
Didn't read the second page of the thread.

But from what I can tell, Recon is trying to say once again(like many [but not all]) atheists, that religion is stupid, we're stupid for arguing in favor of it, we're stupid for believing in God, so we should all become atheists, and that what he's doing is in no way whatsoever similar to what many exremists in religions do: Trying to convert everyone else to their beliefs and shunning and hating all who oppose him.
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Re: The God Who Wasn't There

Post by kslidz on Sat Feb 14, 2009 9:39 pm

Pieman what quote from v is that, when I zoom in it's too blurry to read

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Re: The God Who Wasn't There

Post by PiEdude on Sat Feb 14, 2009 9:44 pm

Kinda random, but it's the speech he gives when he first meets Eve, except all the "V" words are replaced with "P" words.
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Re: The God Who Wasn't There

Post by Toaster on Sat Feb 14, 2009 9:45 pm

pie wrote:Didn't watch the video.
Didn't read the second page of the thread.

But from what I can tell, Recon is trying to say once again(like many [but not all]) atheists, that religion is stupid, we're stupid for arguing in favor of it, we're stupid for believing in God, so we should all become atheists, and that what he's doing is in no way whatsoever similar to what many exremists in religions do: Trying to convert everyone else to their beliefs and shunning and hating all who oppose him.

The difference, pie, is that if you presented me with a documentary which argues that god exists, I would take the time to watch it. Some people, like you, instead opt to remain an ignorant dumb ass.
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Re: The God Who Wasn't There

Post by Rotaretilbo on Sat Feb 14, 2009 9:45 pm

I'm about halfway through the video. I'm going to make an epic multi-quote once I finish transcribing and responding to this. But, already, I can see some gaping biases, out of context use of quotes, and simple lies, the sort of thing you see in shit like Loose Change. So far, some interesting points have been made, but they are so contorted by Brian Flemming's apparent bias against Christianity, ranging from his tone to his omission of certain facts, that they can hardly be anything but interesting points. I'm going to take a break now, because, if Loose Change was any indicator, about halfway through, I zone out and start missing even the most obvious BS simply because my mind is so overwhelmed that someone can honestly spout stuff like this, when they obviously did research and knew they were purposely leaving things out. I suppose what surprises me most is the apparent rephrasing of the quotes, because the originals, even out of context, are hard to contort to mean what he wants us to believe they mean. This goes especially for the quotes from Justin Martyr he's been dropping.

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Re: The God Who Wasn't There

Post by Rasq'uire'laskar on Sat Feb 14, 2009 11:09 pm

KristallNacht wrote:actually, homosexuality is linked to hormone levels in the womb....not any gay gene
Hmm...
You are the only one who I've heard cite that, aside from my ex-girlfriend.
From what I heard, the female uterus has a reaction to male embryos, and exposes them to estrogen. This reaction gets stronger for every male child born, so later children are more likely to be homosexual.

I'm not really sure about this, and I believe that there is no one cause for homosexuality or bisexuality, just as there is no one cause for my bipolar disorder.
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Re: The God Who Wasn't There

Post by PiEdude on Sat Feb 14, 2009 11:23 pm

I don't think it's true.

My grandparents had five boys, and they all have kids.
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Re: The God Who Wasn't There

Post by Toaster on Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:01 pm

Rasq wrote:From what I heard, the female uterus has a reaction to male embryos, and exposes them to estrogen. This reaction gets stronger for every male child born, so later children are more likely to be homosexual.

I've heard of similar things. I read one story a while back about a kid who, since the age of 2 or 3, was insistent on wearing girl's clothing and having long hair. At his current age (5 or 6) he remains to act like a girl, and wishes to be referred to as such.

He was the last of 6 boys. I'm sure there's some kind of a hormonal imbalance in the minds of homosexuals. Have you ever looked at a guy and just thought "oh yeah, he's definitely gay." There's obvious behavioral and physical differences between two.
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Re: The God Who Wasn't There

Post by kslidz on Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:20 pm

i am the last of four boys and have a friend who is the last of seven boys
believe me neither of us are into guys

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Re: The God Who Wasn't There

Post by Toaster on Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:45 pm

kslidz wrote:i am the last of four boys and have a friend who is the last of seven boys
believe me neither of us are into guys

no one is accusing you, nor is anyone claiming that these things happen 100% of the time. From my perspective, it looks like the sun is orbiting the Earth. My personal perspective is inconclusive.
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Re: The God Who Wasn't There

Post by kslidz on Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:59 pm

look i live in north carolina surrounded by a lot of country
families that have 8 or 10 people in there family.
by no standards do i see a trend of the later you were born compared to other boys in the family that the child is more sissy
not even gay but just sissy or act like a girl or anything like that

although i have not done a study on my own doesnt mean my view is discounted
and i have not seen a successful study of what you are suggesting
and the fact that i havent means a little bit because i have done three research papers on the subject of nature v nurture and one time the headliner was homosexuality
i have seen professors and articles that suggest the same thing you are but none that can prove jack squat and the overwhelming majority is that the fact a boy is born after other boys has no real effect on the child

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Re: The God Who Wasn't There

Post by KristallNacht on Sun Feb 15, 2009 2:14 pm

In the things I've read its about odd levels in multiple hormone levels in the womb, as well as womb temperature.

Much like Alligators whose gender in the egg is ENTIRELY dependent on the temperature of the eggs.
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Re: The God Who Wasn't There

Post by Rotaretilbo on Sun Feb 15, 2009 4:56 pm

Update: I somehow managed to get through the video. The second half was slightly more compelling and filled with fewer blatant fallacies than the first half. Now I have the task of taking what I've written down (the entire transcript of the video) and turning it into a giant multiquote.

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Re: The God Who Wasn't There

Post by Toaster on Sun Feb 15, 2009 5:13 pm

Rotaretilbo wrote:Update: I somehow managed to get through the video. The second half was slightly more compelling and filled with fewer blatant fallacies than the first half. Now I have the task of taking what I've written down (the entire transcript of the video) and turning it into a giant multiquote.

This... is the way the world ends
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Re: The God Who Wasn't There

Post by CivBase on Sun Feb 15, 2009 5:24 pm

ROFL

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Re: The God Who Wasn't There

Post by kslidz on Sun Feb 15, 2009 6:58 pm

i cant wait

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Re: The God Who Wasn't There

Post by PiEdude on Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:16 pm

Rotaretilbo wrote:Now I have the task of taking what I've written down (the entire transcript of the video) and turning it into a giant multiquote.
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