Greatest Conquerer in History

TNine wrote:

Cheese wrote:Bacteria, by any criteria.

They haven't ever conquered. Killed, maybe, but they cannot take or hold land.

They hold all the land. And if they were ever vanquished from it, then everything else would die as well. That's what I mean - they are freaking everywhere. And without them, there could be nothing else still alive.

Cheese wrote:

TNine wrote:

Cheese wrote:Bacteria, by any criteria.

They haven't ever conquered. Killed, maybe, but they cannot take or hold land.

They hold all the land. And if they were ever vanquished from it, then everything else would die as well. That's what I mean - they are freaking everywhere. And without them, there could be nothing else still alive.

That doesn't make them conquerers.

Okey dokey. Figured this might happen.

More causalities in the history of war due to infection. But now we're just arguing semantics.

It depends whether you class conquering as an action of will or the mere act itself. Certainly bacteria possesses a mastery over us - we're still fighting against diseases (and I believe conquer a disease was one of the dictionaries terms)

Look at all these names on the list - every one of them. Whether they died of infection, wounds, famine whatever - they were all conquered by the bacteria that broke them down to nitrates.

Cheese wrote:Okey dokey. Figured this might happen.

More causalities in the history of war due to infection. But now we're just arguing semantics.

It depends whether you class conquering as an action of will or the mere act itself. Certainly bacteria possesses a mastery over us - we're still fighting against diseases (and I believe conquer a disease was one of the dictionaries terms)

Look at all these names on the list - every one of them. Whether they died of infection, wounds, famine whatever - they were all conquered by the bacteria that broke them down to nitrates.

Conquering isn't killing.
I win.

Sorry, but to conquer is essentially to take control or power over, or to overcome something. Bacteria can do neither.

Announcing 'I win' rarely helps your case. There's no such thing as a last say on the internet.

You're still thinking large scale. Think small scale but for everything.

1. to acquire by force of arms; win in war: to conquer a foreign land.
2. to overcome by force; subdue: to conquer an enemy.
3. to gain, win, or obtain by effort, personal appeal, etc.: conquer the hearts of his audience.
4. to gain a victory over; surmount; master; overcome: to conquer disease and poverty; to conquer one's fear.

Your body fights and fights with this until eventually entropy runs its course and your system goes the way of worm food. Bacteria has acquired this by force of arms... though bacterial arms. Overcome by force. Gained through effort, and surmounted etc.

Conquering can be killing when 'the land' you fight for is a body to chow on.

Again, we're arguing semantics. Which to be fair I started - so I shouldn't really complain.

This is the case for everything in the world everywhere.

I'd like to clear up a few points, Temuchin DID NOT fight the Muslim empire, his grandson fought them when the Mongols became muslim. The Egyptian Pharoah Thumoes(sp) won more battles than even Naploeon did. done with that. Scipio, Alexander the Great, Philip of Macedon, Cyrus the Great, Temuchin, Saladin, and Peter the Great have to be the greatest conquerors.

I wish to argue Cheese's point. Something as small as bacteria can destroy an entire race. Such as Napoleon's battle with winter; frostbite is the result of a certain infection, thereby 'using force to overcome' Napoleon's army. Although, really, they aren't quote 'general' conquerers, but rather a special case. Point reached.

Exactly.

With 'Greatest Conqueror in History = Caesar or someone' this example doesn't really work very well. If you change the argument to 'Greatest Conqueror in History = Mankind' then you get a better idea.

Gold Spartan5 wrote:I'd like to clear up a few points, Temuchin DID NOT fight the Muslim empire, his grandson fought them when the Mongols became muslim.

Source?

probably Wikipedia.

Greatest conqueror = Genghis Khan

Greatest Conquerer: Chuck Norris.

Biggest Douche : Nocbl2

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ok, bacteria, what about viruses? aren't there more of them?

How about the greatest human conqueror

Viruses are much more deadly and efficient killers, but no life depends on them and they dominate nothing. They are simply there to terrorize the living.

Dud Doodoo wrote:Viruses are much more deadly and efficient killers, but no life depends on them and they dominate nothing. They are simply there to terrorize the living.

But they require life and living cells to multiply.