Re: Embryonic Stem Cell Research (with embryos)

by Gauz on Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:10 am

Okay I see...

Well I still think that stem cell research with embryos is okay, especially if the parents give them away of their own free will.

by Elabajaba on Mon Jun 15, 2009 2:05 am

So long as it saves my life when I'm 20 sumthin because all I do is play video games, then I'm fine with it. They should also learn to grow people new eyes, mine are messed up from staring at the sun/projectors/other really bright stuff for long periods of time without blinking.

by ReconToaster on Mon Jun 15, 2009 2:19 am

x Gauz x wrote:Okay I see...

Well I still think that stem cell research with embryos is okay, especially if the parents give them away of their own free will.

Most of them are cloned in a laboratory environment.

by **CivBase** on Mon Jun 15, 2009 2:30 am

x Gauz x wrote:Okay I see...

Well I still think that stem cell research with embryos is okay, especially if the parents give them away of their own free will.

Our rights and freedoms are only good until they hinder others' rights and freedoms.

by TNine on Mon Jun 15, 2009 2:50 am

Rasq'uire'laskar wrote:

TNine wrote:
CivBase wrote:An unconscious child doesn't feel a thing, just like an embryo. Is it okay to torment it then?

Animals can feel as much as we can, why is it okay to torment and devour them?

Yes, yes they do. And they are self-concious, thinking about something, in their sleep. I believe that self-consciousness is the point where an embryo becomes a human being. This fact cannot be proven wrong, nor right, but if society agrees on it, then it is right (cause morals work that way).

Morals work that way, but not right and wrong.
Society can decide that it is alright to lock up people in ghettos because of their heritage, and then use them as slave labor or cheap lab rats.

We believe that is wrong because our current society works that way. It's wrong because society tells us so.

by Gauz on Mon Jun 15, 2009 3:16 am

ReconToaster wrote:
x Gauz x wrote:Okay I see...

Well I still think that stem cell research with embryos is okay, especially if the parents give them away of their own free will.

Most of them are cloned in a laboratory environment.

Wait, the US doesn't experiment with cloning though, or are you talking about a foriegn country?
Either way, still fine with clones..

CivBase wrote:
x Gauz x wrote:Okay I see...

Well I still think that stem cell research with embryos is okay, especially if the parents give them away of their own free will.

Our rights and freedoms are only good until they hinder others' rights and freedoms.

Since when is a Embryo considered human? It becomes a human, but I don't really think and Human or Civil rights apply to it. Especially not civil rights.

by **CivBase** on Mon Jun 15, 2009 3:39 pm

x Gauz x wrote:
CivBase wrote:
x Gauz x wrote:Okay I see...

Well I still think that stem cell research with embryos is okay, especially if the parents give them away of their own free will.

Our rights and freedoms are only good until they hinder others' rights and freedoms.

Since when is a Embryo considered human? It becomes a human, but I don't really think and Human or Civil rights apply to it. Especially not civil rights.

Paying attention to the thread helps.

by **Rasq'uire'laskar** on Mon Jun 15, 2009 4:59 pm

ReconToaster wrote:
Rasq wrote:Or mentally retarded people.
I've had to work in the classroom they were in one quarter in high school, and half of them weren't self-aware.

I think most are somewhat self aware. At least, they are still conscious (aware of their surroundings) and emotionally attached to others.

About half of them are not self aware. I thought about testing it through the "Paint spot test", but the truth is, mental people scare me like clowns scare some people. And there's a lot of pity mixed into that.

ReconToaster wrote:I haven't read it, but I should. He was always and still is my favorite author of all time. Shame he died....

He's an alarmist, especially with his later books, but "Next" scared the Hell out of me.

ReconToaster wrote:
Rasq wrote:Morals work that way, but not right and wrong.
Society can decide that it is alright to lock up people in ghettos because of their heritage

I saw a picture of Ann Frank quite recently... and it made me really sad.

Have you ever seen the picture of Eli Wiesel in "Night"?
It was taken twenty years after, but his eyes are black, like tunnels. And there's this drawn, haunted look, like he's just calmly waken up from the worst nightmare of his life.

TNine wrote:
We believe that is wrong because our current society works that way. It's wrong because society tells us so.

Or maybe we can reduce morals to "Least harm to the most people."

by Gauz on Mon Jun 15, 2009 6:53 pm

Morals are for losers.

by **CivBase** on Mon Jun 15, 2009 6:57 pm

Well, it's pretty clear that you're messed up x Gauz x.

by ReconToaster on Mon Jun 15, 2009 7:43 pm

Rasq wrote:Have you ever seen the picture of Eli Wiesel in "Night"?
It was taken twenty years after, but his eyes are black, like tunnels. And there's this drawn, haunted look, like he's just calmly waken up from the worst nightmare of his life.

I don't think it would get to me nearly as much. Something about a 15 year old girl going through something like that... is much more impactful.

http://www.digitaljournalist.org/issue0309/lm01.html

by **CivBase** on Mon Jun 15, 2009 7:55 pm

Ever read "A Child Called It"?

I've read "Night" and it's sad, but I think "A Child Called It" is just as bad, if not worse.

by Gauz on Mon Jun 15, 2009 8:35 pm

CivBase wrote:Well, it's pretty clear that you're messed up x Gauz x.

No, only my other side is messed up.

my other side is the guy in my signature.

by **CivBase** on Mon Jun 15, 2009 8:37 pm

*sigh*

I rest my case.