Universal Healthcare

Been a while. Let's debate.

So... it's stupid. I don't want to pay for other people's healthcare with my taxes just to find out that I get crappy care in return along with no care for some things. Example: If my aunt lived in Canada, she'd be dead. She has diabetes and people with diabetes in Canada don't get healthcare for it after a certain age.

Not to mention that if everyone has the same healthcare, hospitals can either raise their prices (so it's like not having care at all), or lay off doctors. Last I checked, less doctors with more patients is a really bad thing. Why do you think people in Canada have to wait six months for a checkup? By then, the flu would have killed you.

And who wants to go through college and then four more years of med school just to get payed the same salary as everyone else? That's a rip! Nobody's going to want to be a doctor.

WHY should I have to pay for the healthcare of the homeless? Who got themselves on the street in the first place? WHY should I pay for the healthcare of an alcoholic out of job loser who got himself there in the first place? I SHOULDNT have to pay for their mistakes in life.

I KNOW!

We had a debate in class about this. Most of the responses, Because Obama said it's a good plan. ONE person responded that since their american, they should have healthcare even though THEY fucked up their lives.

I am sorry Gold, your class has officially drank the kool-aid.

eh, i don't really look at the whole "why should i have to pay for X's healthcare?" thing

More importantly is the fact that universal healthcare only works in 1 country that has it, and that country is France. Where 1. People don't really need it cause they're pussies, and 2. Don't try to take advantage of things that are given to them.

civ wrote:And who wants to go through college and then four more years of med school just to get payed the same salary as everyone else

communism

Gold wrote:Because Obama said it's a good plan.

I realize that you might not be the one claiming this... but lets clarify some things first.

Universal Healthcare does not always mean government run healthcare. The UK and Canada have government run Healthcare.

Obama is not pushing for government run healthcare. In fact, aside from medicare/medicaid, what he's really pushing for is to regulate healthcare insurance providers, making sure that all people are able to receive care (no matter what pre-existing conditions they might have) and offering tax breaks to families that are paying for reasonable healthcare.

He also wants to improve medicare/medicaid, so that those unable to pay for insurance are able to receive quality healthcare.

He's not trying to create a socialist healthcare system.

Anyways, I agree that government run healthcare is not as efficient as a free market system, but as the industrial revolution proves to us all, Capitalism needs regulation to keep society together.

Civ wrote:who wants to go through college and then four more years of med school just to get payed the same salary as everyone else? That's a rip! Nobody's going to want to be a doctor.

Don't forget the internship and 5 year residency. To be fair though, they are still paid pretty well... just not exorbitantly.

No Recon, I'd sooner shoot myself in the foot then say I think Obama is what our country needs. Most of my school are Obama supporters, mainly for the reason he's black.

It doesn't matter who they put in office, they really cant do or change things that much.

ntm, this whole universal healthcare doesn't matter.

According to Wal-Mart, over 90% of the citizens of this country have health insurance of some kind. NTM Wal-mart offers health insurance for cheap.

KristallNacht wrote:ntm, this whole universal healthcare doesn't matter.

According to Wal-Mart, over 90% of the citizens of this country have health insurance of some kind. NTM Wal-mart offers health insurance for cheap.

I believe it's something like 15% of Americans that don't have healthcare, and please don't credit Walmart for doing ANYTHING for their employees. They don't.

Besides, it's not just an issue of 'whether or not you have insurance.'

American Health insurance providers are EXTREMELY greedy, and will do anything they can to deny their clients care. Insured people often cannot even receive quality care. That's what needs to be fixed.

Personally, I say this is a bad thing.
If you want to make health insurance more available, cap payments for "Pain and Suffering" on malpractice insurance, DELETE AND REINSTALL Medicare, and create a comprehensive law on what health insurers have to cover.

Then get to work on Social Security.

ReconToaster wrote:don't credit Walmart for doing ANYTHING for their employees.

I didn't. Wal-mart sells health insurance.

ReconToaster wrote:

Gold wrote:Because Obama said it's a good plan.

I realize that you might not be the one claiming this... but lets clarify some things first.

Universal Healthcare does not always mean government run healthcare. The UK and Canada have government run Healthcare.

But in this case, it's government run.

ReconToaster wrote:Obama is not pushing for government run healthcare. In fact, aside from medicare/medicaid, what he's really pushing for is to regulate healthcare insurance providers, making sure that all people are able to receive care (no matter what pre-existing conditions they might have) and offering tax breaks to families that are paying for reasonable healthcare.

Really? Then why is a welfare-style health insurance setup going through congress over and over? And besides, pushing to destroy the limits on who can get healthcare will only raise prices, which defeats the whole point of it all.

ReconToaster wrote:He also wants to improve medicare/medicaid, so that those unable to pay for insurance are able to receive quality healthcare.

So he wants to force higher quality at lower prices with no restrictions on healthcare businesses? And this is not messed up how? He's going to put them out of business!

ReconToaster wrote:He's not trying to create a socialist healthcare system.

On the contrary, he is "adding the option" to get free healthcare through the government. However, we regulate monopolies for a reason. Healthcare companies can't compete with free, no matter how low-quality. Not to mention the fact that a very large portion of people get healthcare through their business's as a benefit, and why would a business pay for that sort of healthcare when there's free healthcare out there? Once the private healthcare companies go out of business, you KNOW that the quality of the government healthcare will only sink; but by then, it will be too late to turn around.

ReconToaster wrote:Anyways, I agree that government run healthcare is not as efficient as a free market system, but as the industrial revolution proves to us all, Capitalism needs regulation to keep society together.

I'm not saying capitalism should run 100% free. I realize capitalism needs regulation, but healthcare companies aren't doing anything really wrong. They're just expensive.

ReconToaster wrote:American Health insurance providers are EXTREMELY greedy, and will do anything they can to deny their clients care. Insured people often cannot even receive quality care. That's what needs to be fixed.

You obviously haven't actually dealt with an American insurance provider or our medical system before.