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Re: Government group supressing 9/11 connections?

Post by Toaster on Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:13 am

tiny tim wrote:For the last time, Bush DID NOT rig the election.

Thank you for your sentiments Mr.Definitive!
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Re: Government group supressing 9/11 connections?

Post by Angatar on Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:35 am

KristallNacht wrote:
The government even released documents showing that 1. they had been given great details about the 9/11 attack before it happened, as WELL as documents showing they deliberately mislead the public to believe there was a connection between 9/11 and Iraq when none existed.
I thought this was common knowledge...

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Re: Government group supressing 9/11 connections?

Post by Zaki90 on Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:40 am

Angatar wrote:
KristallNacht wrote:
The government even released documents showing that 1. they had been given great details about the 9/11 attack before it happened, as WELL as documents showing they deliberately mislead the public to believe there was a connection between 9/11 and Iraq when none existed.
I thought this was common knowledge...

Yes they had been given details. Thanks to the Astrospies. But they couldn't say anything because it would be against the law of privacy until after 9-11 and Bush allowed it.

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Re: Government group supressing 9/11 connections?

Post by Ringleader on Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:49 am

Well, you could go after Osama bin Ladin, but then once you nab him, nothing would really change afterward!

Iraq has had chemical weapons of mass destruction in the past (the gulf wars I think) and we knew this, but they smuggled them into Syria.
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Re: Government group supressing 9/11 connections?

Post by Death no More on Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:28 am

Vigil wrote:
And he'd sent you into two costly wars.

You fool the war kept our economy up for longer than it would have lasted without the war. People got jobs Soldiers, mechanics, intelligence, electronic specialists, and not to mention all the benefits of being a soldier would not happen on as large of scale if 9/11 never happened. There would be alot more poor if this war didn't happen. The auto companies and gun manufacturers making weapons and vehicles for the army would be in a much more dire situation. The point is Bush helped the economy and it so happens that we are struck with a recession right when bush is in office, Its barley his fault.
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Re: Government group supressing 9/11 connections?

Post by Nocbl2 on Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:38 pm

Vigil wrote:
KristallNacht wrote:Cause there were no competent competitors.

A blind amoeba would of been better than Bush.
Gundam: Dynasty Warriors would've been better.
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Re: Government group supressing 9/11 connections?

Post by Rotaretilbo on Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:45 pm

Wait, are there still reasoning people that believe that the government had something to do with 9/11? I had hoped they'd all forgotten how to breathe and died.

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Re: Government group supressing 9/11 connections?

Post by dragoon9105 on Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:48 pm

yes but they also blamed that on the government also Very Happy
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Re: Government group supressing 9/11 connections?

Post by Maginot Line on Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:02 pm

I've talked with a member of the Army's Nightstalkers regarding some of this. He knows for a fact that WMD's were sighted in Iraq by satellite. That war is not pointless.
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Re: Government group supressing 9/11 connections?

Post by KristallNacht on Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:54 pm

Rotaretilbo wrote:Wait, are there still reasoning people that believe that the government had something to do with 9/11? I had hoped they'd all forgotten how to breathe and died.

did you watch the video?
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Re: Government group supressing 9/11 connections?

Post by Rasq'uire'laskar on Mon Jul 13, 2009 4:26 pm

KristallNacht wrote:

After being attacked by a group with no affiliation to the group we wanted to go to war with.
The Taliban were highly supportive of Bin Laden and his group. At times, they were his only support.

KristallNacht wrote:After not being threatened by anyone aside from same group with no affiliation to the target of our war.
The Taliban were giving aid and shelter to Bin Laden after 9-11.

KristallNacht wrote:AND after being shown into pretty much every nook and cranny of the country to affirm that there were no WMDs.
Bullocks. Saddam Insane showed UN investigators NOTHING.
And while there were CIA documents saying Iraq did not have WMDs, there were memos saying that he did. Or that there was no evidence that he didn't restart production of gas weapons. The CIA is an INTELLIGENCE organization, not a magic eight ball.

KristallNacht wrote:The government even released documents showing that 1. they had been given great details about the 9/11 attack before it happened, as WELL as documents showing they deliberately mislead the public to believe there was a connection between 9/11 and Iraq when none existed.
"Great details" is a clear overstatement.
And the connections between 9-11 and Iraq weren't the main reasons we went to war. We went to war because Saddam Insane might have had WMDs, but wasn't disproving this notion, and we should have kicked him out in the first place. But we left the job undone.

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Vigil wrote:
And he'd sent you into two costly wars.

You fool the war kept our economy up for longer than it would have lasted without the war. People got jobs Soldiers, mechanics, intelligence, electronic specialists, and not to mention all the benefits of being a soldier would not happen on as large of scale if 9/11 never happened. There would be alot more poor if this war didn't happen. The auto companies and gun manufacturers making weapons and vehicles for the army would be in a much more dire situation. The point is Bush helped the economy and it so happens that we are struck with a recession right when bush is in office, Its barley his fault.
Bullocks.
The War in Iraq has only funded certain defense contractors, as compared to WWII, when ALL of the industry sector was devoted to war.
Bush deserves at least 25% of the blame, really.

Rotaretilbo wrote:Wait, are there still reasoning people that believe that the government had something to do with 9/11? I had hoped they'd all forgotten how to breathe and died.
In case you didn't notice, the investigative journalist had oxygen tubes running into his nose.

KristallNacht wrote:
Rotaretilbo wrote:Wait, are there still reasoning people that believe that the government had something to do with 9/11? I had hoped they'd all forgotten how to breathe and died.

did you watch the video?
Yeah. I don't recall hearing anything about the group suppressing 9-11 theories.
Oh, and by the way... that guy was just talking... saying he'd seen stuff and everything...
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Re: Government group supressing 9/11 connections?

Post by Rotaretilbo on Mon Jul 13, 2009 4:28 pm

Did you? It's ridiculous. Some random guy says that he has secret knowledge about a secret group INSIDE of the NSA and you believe him? How is it that he knows that they exist? The only evidence he offered was a claim that he'd seen documentation showing that the NSA was keeping tabs on journalists and who they talk to. I would too if I wanted to prevent leaks.

Tell me, NT, how does documentation showing the NSA keeps tabs on journalists let this guy know that the group exists, that it still exists in the Obama administration, etc etc? How does he know all this?

And who is this Ken Ford guy, anyway? The only info I can find on him are blogs that are very clearly basing their claims on this video (or that this video based its claims on), since both use exactly the same vocabulary to describe it. In fact, several of these blogs are just quotes from the video!

And if the government can run a guy silently through the court system and pay off everyone involved, why isn't he being dragged off to court for something right now? If the NSA is supposedly shutting up journalists that they don't like, they sure as hell missed the guy who apparently has access to all of their stuff. Pretty big blunder, if you ask me.

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Re: Government group supressing 9/11 connections?

Post by Rasq'uire'laskar on Mon Jul 13, 2009 4:32 pm

Rotaretilbo wrote:EDIT: NO POASTING WHILE I POAST RASQ! Razz
But... I had that awesome Wikipedia joke...
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Re: Government group supressing 9/11 connections?

Post by Toaster on Mon Jul 13, 2009 4:41 pm

Rotaretilbo wrote:Wait, are there still reasoning people that believe that the government had something to do with 9/11? I had hoped they'd all forgotten how to breathe and died.

I don't thinks it's crazy at all to think that some sector of out massive government had some involvement in 9/11.
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Re: Government group supressing 9/11 connections?

Post by tiny tim on Mon Jul 13, 2009 4:42 pm

We do need a smaller government. We have more czars right now then in the entire history of Russia.

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Re: Government group supressing 9/11 connections?

Post by Toaster on Mon Jul 13, 2009 4:49 pm

tiny tim wrote:We do need a smaller government.
That statement sounds familiar. I swear... there was this guy who wouldn't shut up about it... I can't seem to remember....

Spoiler:


Oh yeah...


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Re: Government group supressing 9/11 connections?

Post by Rasq'uire'laskar on Mon Jul 13, 2009 4:50 pm

ReconToaster wrote:
Rotaretilbo wrote:Wait, are there still reasoning people that believe that the government had something to do with 9/11? I had hoped they'd all forgotten how to breathe and died.

I don't thinks it's crazy at all to think that some sector of out massive government had some involvement in 9/11.
OK, you can think that. Just don't try passing it off as fact.
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Re: Government group supressing 9/11 connections?

Post by Toaster on Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:00 pm

Oh, so we're quoting Bill Maher now? well then....

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Re: Government group supressing 9/11 connections?

Post by KristallNacht on Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:45 pm

lol I was gonan take the time to reply specifically to Rasq, and Rots post.


then I realized he wasn't really even paying attention to anything I was saying.


funny how that works doesn't it?
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Re: Government group supressing 9/11 connections?

Post by Rotaretilbo on Mon Jul 13, 2009 7:37 pm

And what, exactly, have you been saying, NT? I went through the thread a few times, and all I see is you arguing about the justifications of Iraq or noting that John Kerry was as incompetent as Bush. The only thing related to this new and ridiculous conspiracy theory you've said was to talk about the source of the video (a Russian news site that isn't even in Russian) and to ask me if I watched the video.

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Re: Government group supressing 9/11 connections?

Post by KristallNacht on Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:58 pm

but you and Rasq both incinuated I supported the belief being discussed in the video, and Rasq made a horrible connection between the taliban and Iraq, and ignored the fact that the person i argued against earlier was saying there was no reason not to go to war after 9/11.
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Re: Government group supressing 9/11 connections?

Post by Gold Spartan on Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:00 pm

It's called Russian Today and it's in english. How accurate can this source be?
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Re: Government group supressing 9/11 connections?

Post by KristallNacht on Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:06 pm

It's kinda like BBC World Wide America
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Re: Government group supressing 9/11 connections?

Post by Rotaretilbo on Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:12 pm

KristallNacht wrote:but you and Rasq both incinuated I supported the belief being discussed in the video

Well, considering that I made an observation about how I wished conspiracy theorists would suffocate, to which you asked if I had even watched the video, not to mention that you bothered to bring up the thread in the first place...

KristallNacht wrote:and Rasq made a horrible connection between the taliban and Iraq, and ignored the fact that the person i argued against earlier was saying there was no reason not to go to war after 9/11.

Which isn't entirely true...Rasq made cases for both the war against Afghanistan (though he mistook your references to Iraq for the Taliban because he doesn't associate Operation Iraqi Freedom with 9/11) and the war against Iraq.

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Re: Government group supressing 9/11 connections?

Post by KristallNacht on Tue Jul 14, 2009 1:51 am

Rotaretilbo wrote:
Well, considering that I made an observation about how I wished conspiracy theorists would suffocate, to which you asked if I had even watched the video, not to mention that you bothered to bring up the thread in the first place...

The video merely concerns a part of the NSA that may be tasked with destroying possible connections and maintaining info.

NOT some overwhelming "OMG GOVERNMENT WAS BEHIND 9/11!!!! RAWR".

Which is why i asked if you watched the video.
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