Hiroshima Atomic Bomb Re-enactment

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Re: Hiroshima Atomic Bomb Re-enactment

Post by ReconToaster on Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:36 pm

Civ wrote:Essentially, they were the minutemen of the Japanese military.




Yup.

Seath wrote:Civillians are essentially what supports the Military. No more civilians and the military will not be able to fight


They're still innocent people, and it still isn't right to slaughter them en masse. Anyways, the US didn't drop the bombs to completely wipe out all civilians. They did it to instill fear amongst the Japanese populace.

Also note that in his address to the American people, Truman referred to Hiroshima only as "a military base."

What a load of shit.

Seath wrote:and that makes them non-targets why?


He's on your side Seath.

Rot wrote:Not really. It was the only real option. All other options resulted in more Allied casualties, more Axis casualties, and more civilian casualties.


I'm not saying that the reasons for being against it out-weigh those for it, I'm just saying that they exist.

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Re: Hiroshima Atomic Bomb Re-enactment

Post by aukele on Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:50 pm

it all boils down to soldiers are people too and honestly they are the better people the arent the criminal element the slacking element or the elder element which to be honest doesnt do much for a warring or regular society the men and women of militaries proudly put there lives on the line to save innocent lives so if every once in awhile a few civilians have to die to save a great number of soldiers im good

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Re: Hiroshima Atomic Bomb Re-enactment

Post by ReconToaster on Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:58 pm

aukele wrote:it all boils down to soldiers are people too and honestly they are the better people the arent the criminal element the slacking element or the elder element which to be honest doesnt do much for a warring or regular society the men and women of militaries proudly put there lives on the line to save innocent lives so if every once in awhile a few civilians have to die to save a great number of soldiers im good


Your thinking completely undermines the purpose of a soldier.

Soldiers are "the better people" BECAUSE they are willing to give their lives in place of the innocent.

Also, not being in the military does not make you a "slacker" or a "criminal." What about women and children that weren't allowed into the military in the first place?

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Re: Hiroshima Atomic Bomb Re-enactment

Post by aukele on Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:03 pm

ReconToaster wrote:
aukele wrote:it all boils down to soldiers are people too and honestly they are the better people the arent the criminal element the slacking element or the elder element which to be honest doesnt do much for a warring or regular society the men and women of militaries proudly put there lives on the line to save innocent lives so if every once in awhile a few civilians have to die to save a great number of soldiers im good


Your thinking completely undermines the purpose of a soldier.

Soldiers are "the better people" BECAUSE they are willing to give their lives in place of the innocent.

Also, not being in the military does not make you a "slacker" or a "criminal." What about women and children that weren't allowed into the military in the first place?


Im not saying it does im saying 99% of criminals arent in the military and most slackers arent either i addmitedly may have gone far with elders and women and chiildren well they have a place in my heart as im only 15

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Re: Hiroshima Atomic Bomb Re-enactment

Post by Gauz on Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:06 pm

Civilians > Soldiers

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Re: Hiroshima Atomic Bomb Re-enactment

Post by Gauz on Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:31 pm

Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts, and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey's opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945, and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated. - Paul Nitze


The Japanese had, in fact, already sued for peace. The atomic bomb played no decisive part, from a purely military point of view, in the defeat of Japan. - Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, Commander in Chief of the U.S. Pacific Fleet.


The use of [the atomic bombs] at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons... The lethal possibilities of atomic warfare in the future are frightening. My own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make war in that fashion , and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children. - Fleet Admiral William D. Leahy, Chief of Staff to President Truman.


This.

That and I also have to say, that the bombing of Nagasaki was totally unnecessary and barbaric. The "fat man" dropped on Nagasaki was dropped 3 days after the "little boy" was dropped on Hiroshima. Some may argue this, but that is hardly enough time to comprehend the damage done at Hiroshima.

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Re: Hiroshima Atomic Bomb Re-enactment

Post by Kasrkin Seath on Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:02 pm

just give up. I dont see how invading or attempting to siege Japan could have possibly turned out better

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Re: Hiroshima Atomic Bomb Re-enactment

Post by Gauz on Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:06 pm

Did you read any of the quotes?

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Re: Hiroshima Atomic Bomb Re-enactment

Post by Kasrkin Seath on Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:13 pm

You do realize they are all hypocrits, right?

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Re: Hiroshima Atomic Bomb Re-enactment

Post by Gauz on Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:15 pm

Hypocritical or not, they state fact, they KNEW what was going on back then.

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Re: Hiroshima Atomic Bomb Re-enactment

Post by Kasrkin Seath on Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:17 pm

You also realize that the bombs also played a rather large role in Japan's surrender?

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Re: Hiroshima Atomic Bomb Re-enactment

Post by Gauz on Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:18 pm

You didn't read any of the quotes...

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Re: Hiroshima Atomic Bomb Re-enactment

Post by Rotaretilbo on Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:26 pm

So you got quotes from a handful of people saying that they thought the bomb was not necessary, eh? Then why is it that Japan didn't surrender after the first bomb? What about after the second? They waited a whole week after the second bomb before finally surrendering. Just because a couple people agree with you, Gauz, doesn't mean you're right. I'm sure I could find hundreds of quotes from people saying the atom bomb was the only reason Japan surrendered.

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Re: Hiroshima Atomic Bomb Re-enactment

Post by Kasrkin Seath on Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:27 pm

yes, I did read them

The atomic bomb played no decisive part, from a purely military point of view, in the defeat of Japan. - Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, Commander in Chief of the U.S. Pacific Fleet.

The other quotes are basically BS, as we had not successfully blockaded them and EVEN AFTER TWO NUKES they refused to surrender.

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Re: Hiroshima Atomic Bomb Re-enactment

Post by Gauz on Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:34 pm

Rot, we gave them three days to give us our answer. That is by no means enough time to give an answer. The Nagasaki bombing was completely unnecessary and the Hiroshima bombing, as stated above, was also unnecessary.

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