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Re: ODST: Overpriced?

Post by KrAzY on Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:20 pm

so using the same game engine as another game makes that game need to not cost the same as a full game?


*pulls out list of hundreds of Unreal engine 3 games*


Bioshock, Unreal Tournament 3, Gears of war, Mass effect, mass effect 2, Gears or War 2, arkham asylum...


these are all the same game engine... I guess none of them should be full price either.
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Re: ODST: Overpriced?

Post by Death no More on Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:33 pm

Vigil wrote:Look at Halo 3 and Compare it to Halo 3.

They look similar, but ODST has much better lighting.
I still say its overpriced, the campaign wasn't even that long, nor did it have much replay ability, but I guess it would be worth it if you didn't have halo 3. Firefight is fun but just gets boring after a while. Even with the moves the covenant use (Flanking, formations, suppressive fire [as in wraiths and grenade spam] and few other things.) it still didn't make me like it, and got pretty boring when your alone. In my eyes ODST looks overpriced, if your not a halo fan.
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Re: ODST: Overpriced?

Post by Gauz on Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:39 pm

Even though it is basically a carbon copy of Halo 3 with a new story, I still think it would be worth it if you didn't already own Halo 3 and the map packs.

It was a good game, I loved the story. Could it have been better? Yes, it could of, but any game could be better.

I say somewhat, because for some people (me) it will be, for others it won't.
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Re: ODST: Overpriced?

Post by Toaster on Wed Oct 07, 2009 7:11 pm

Krazy wrote:Bioshock, Unreal Tournament 3, Gears of war, Mass effect, mass effect 2, Gears or War 2, arkham asylum...

The difference is that the unreal engine is very modular, and each of those games that you mentioned modified the engine in their own ways. The ODST engine is hardly any different from the Halo 3 engine at all. ODST also uses a lot of the same materials.

I see nothing wrong with being resourceful, but it should lower the cost of games. That's why expansion packs which build off of the same materials of another game are cheap. That's why Valve games, which often use the exact same materials, and certainly the same engine, are usually very cheap.

That said, it's really not an argument I spent too much time with, as it's not one that I'm very focused on. Thank you so very much for addressing my other points.

Civbase wrote:I'd like to point out that the whole "it uses the Halo 3 engine" argument is bull. Since when was the entertainment of a video game at all linked to the previous use of its engine?

I was getting more at the fact that it costs less for the developer... which should lower the price of the game.

Anyway, if Japan would just suck up their weird hang-ups about every developer having to make a new engine for every game, they might just revitalize themselves in the gaming market.

Again, look at the other things I said instead of picking and choosing. I suppose that means you agree with them?
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Re: ODST: Overpriced?

Post by CivBase on Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:08 pm

ReconToaster wrote:The difference is that the unreal engine is very modular, and each of those games that you mentioned modified the engine in their own ways. The ODST engine is hardly any different from the Halo 3 engine at all. ODST also uses a lot of the same materials.
Don't fix what isn't broken. Halo 3's engine is far superior to many games today. Man, the Halo: CE engine is superior to many games today.

ReconToaster wrote:I was getting more at the fact that it costs less for the developer... which should lower the price of the game.
Notice how almost all new games on the 360 market are $60, no matter how expensive they were.

ReconToaster wrote:Again, look at the other things I said instead of picking and choosing. I suppose that means you agree with them?
Somewhat, yes.

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Re: ODST: Overpriced?

Post by Dud Doodoo on Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:10 pm

ReconToaster wrote:
XNate02 wrote:
Nocbl2 wrote:I mean, I like the game, I just believe it's overpriced.

Reasoning? none

ok moving on

Okay then, I'll do it.

ODST uses the same engine, and much of the same materials as Halo 3. It is essentially a short campaign with a nice new multiplayer mode. Other than that, it is the same old Halo 3 multiplayer in a new box. The package is worth the price to someone who does not already own Halo 3, but being that almost nobody who Microsoft intended to be buying the game fits that description... it's over-priced.
Agreed, although the campaign wasn't short, it was around the same length of Halo 3's.

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Re: ODST: Overpriced?

Post by Divine Virus on Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:14 pm

Suck it up and :QC:

[that's what I have to say about ODST being overpriced]
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Re: ODST: Overpriced?

Post by CivBase on Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:16 pm

RockaHolicGameR wrote:Suck it up and :QC:

[that's what I have to say about ODST being overpriced]
QFT

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Re: ODST: Overpriced?

Post by KristallNacht on Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:55 pm

actualy the ODST campaign was hours shorter than Halo 3s, dude.

2 person co op through both on legendary had a 4 hour difference for me.

and i even played ODST with a lesser skilled second player than I did Halo 3
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Re: ODST: Overpriced?

Post by CivBase on Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:02 pm

KristallNacht wrote:actualy the ODST campaign was hours shorter than Halo 3s, dude.

2 person co op through both on legendary had a 4 hour difference for me.

and i even played ODST with a lesser skilled second player than I did Halo 3
Took me a day to beat Halo 3, three to beat ODST. Yah, I didn't have a job when I got Halo 3, so I had more time to play it, but I felt the ODST campaign still took much longer.

I found the ODST campaign to be much longer if you played it as a game and didn't just run through it on easy to see the cutscenes. That just ruins the game IMO, but it's what a lot of people on here did.

If you're going to critique it as a game, play it as a game.

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Re: ODST: Overpriced?

Post by Nocbl2 on Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:08 pm

I beat it on Heroic, it took me a little less than H3's Normal Campaign.
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Re: ODST: Overpriced?

Post by CivBase on Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:11 pm

And did you just run through it as fast as you could? I found myself spending hours between levels in the city, just exploring and having a blast. Eventually I'd come across what I was looking for, but it certainly made the game more enjoyable.

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Re: ODST: Overpriced?

Post by KristallNacht on Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:46 pm

CivBase wrote:And did you just run through it as fast as you could? I found myself spending hours between levels in the city, just exploring and having a blast. Eventually I'd come across what I was looking for, but it certainly made the game more enjoyable.

we weren't spelunking, but we were by no means just running through.
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Re: ODST: Overpriced?

Post by Nocbl2 on Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:23 pm

No, I was jumping to the objective. But sometimes, I'd just take a step back, and assassinate a patrol or two Razz
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Re: ODST: Overpriced?

Post by Carcarius on Sun Oct 11, 2009 11:12 am

They should have just put the game as 39.99, and make the new multiplayer maps separate DLC.
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Re: ODST: Overpriced?

Post by PiEdude on Sun Oct 11, 2009 4:54 pm

Um, just gonna throw this out there,

I just beat ODST in two days and I didn't pay MS a dime for it.
Just sayin'...
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Re: ODST: Overpriced?

Post by KristallNacht on Sun Oct 11, 2009 5:06 pm

as did i.

i didn't even pay blockbuster, despite keeping the game 10 days past the time my all access pass ran out
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Re: ODST: Overpriced?

Post by Vigil on Sun Oct 11, 2009 5:08 pm

I beat it in about 6 hours, on Heroic, and I did wander about a bit.

Completed it in Legendary co-op right after that in about another 4.

Halo 3 took me a bit longer to finish.

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Re: ODST: Overpriced?

Post by Kasrkin Seath on Sun Oct 11, 2009 5:56 pm

I think all games are overpriced

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Re: ODST: Overpriced?

Post by Ascendant Justice on Sun Oct 11, 2009 6:40 pm

Kasrkin Seath wrote:I think all games are overpriced

I think you're overpriced.
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Re: ODST: Overpriced?

Post by Death no More on Sun Oct 11, 2009 7:02 pm

Ascendant Justice wrote:
Kasrkin Seath wrote:I think all games are overpriced

I think you're overpriced.
I think the word overpriced is overpriced.
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Re: ODST: Overpriced?

Post by Gold Spartan on Sun Oct 11, 2009 7:47 pm

If all games were priced right, vidoe game companies would go broke.
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Re: ODST: Overpriced?

Post by Toaster on Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:43 pm

Gold wrote:If all games were priced right, vidoe game companies would go broke.

If games were priced right, more people would by them, thus earning the developer an even higher profit.

This is true even with popular games that have high sales in the first place. Valve cut the price of Left 4 Dead on Steam from $50 down to $25 for a weekend, and they experienced A THREE THOUSAND PERCENT SALES INCREASE!!!

Making every game 5 dollars may not be profitable, but there is such a thing as a happy medium when it comes to game pricing.

http://www.edge-online.com/features/valve-are-games-too-expensive
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Re: ODST: Overpriced?

Post by Ascendant Justice on Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:11 am

They price games at that price because they know they can get away with it, and people will still buy it.
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Re: ODST: Overpriced?

Post by Vigil on Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:23 pm

True, but you have to realise that the majority of that money never goes to the developers of the game.

All lot goes to suppliers and publishers.

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