Homosexuality in Religion

augh im not being very clear

i was talking about the chapters but whatever im not that interested in debating just
be aware that predestination is not discounted

If God loves everyone why would he allow the ones who do not believe in him to suffer in hell? He has the power to change that, why doesn't he?

People who don't believe in him could just die without an afterlife, why make them suffer in hell? So either God is not omnipotent or he doesn't really love us. Which one do you prefer?

kslidz wrote:augh im not being very clear

i was talking about the chapters but whatever im not that interested in debating just
be aware that predestination is not discounted

I was always confused by predestination. It somehow doesn't seem to fit with the rest of God's teachings to me. What it seems like is, no matter what you do, every thing is planned out for you. You will sin because God said so, you will fail because God said so, you achieve because God says so etc. It seems like free will wouldn't exist as no matter what you do, you'll go to Heaven or Hell not base on what you'll do, but what God says so before hand.

LeafyOwNu2 wrote:If God loves everyone why would he allow the ones who do not believe in him to suffer in hell? He has the power to change that, why doesn't he?

God is absolutely just. He cannot abide sin. He cannot just say "well, I like you, so you get in for free." It doesn't work that way. God is lawful, and abides by very specific rules.

LeafyOwNu2 wrote:People who don't believe in him could just die without an afterlife, why make them suffer in hell? So either God is not omnipotent or he doesn't really love us. Which one do you prefer?

I'm not sure which I would fear more: Hell, or oblivion. To the point, neither is exactly fun, and I wouldn't call either a worse fate than the other.

I would rather not exist at all than to exist in pain for the rest of eternity. God doesn't like his children going to hell, and they cant go to heaven. So why not spare them?

LeafyOwNu2 wrote:I would rather not exist at all than to exist in pain for the rest of eternity. God doesn't like his children going to hell, and they cant go to heaven. So why not spare them?

Well I think existance is better than non-existance(only because I like existing) and my thoughts are, if you're there for eternity, might as well enjoy it. I mean, hell is bad and all, but it is enternity. So I'm guessing you would get used to it, as they would run of things to torture you with eventually. I mean it's not like they can kill you again.

Do I think Hell is a bad place? Yes. Is it worse than non-existance? Not to me, no.

LeafyOwNu2 wrote:I would rather not exist at all than to exist in pain for the rest of eternity. God doesn't like his children going to hell, and they cant go to heaven. So why not spare them?

Did you miss the first part of my post?

So God says if you don't believe in me I will make sure you burn in Hell for eternity. I love you, but you will still burn. In Hell. ForEVER!!! HAH AH AH AHAH AHHAHAH

A little exaggerated but the point is the same. If God loves us why would he let us suffer?

LeafyOwNu2 wrote:So God says if you don't believe in me I will make sure you burn in Hell for eternity. I love you, but you will still burn. In Hell. ForEVER!!! HAH AH AH AHAH AHHAHAH

A little exaggerated but the point is the same. If God loves us why would he let us suffer?

You commit a crime and find yourself in court. If the judge is a good judge, will he let you off just because he likes you?

Our legal system is flawed and not a good example. Gods punishment is eternity in Hell where you burn and are tortured forever. Jail and Prison is just a place to wait until you get out, or wait until they humanly kill you (which is said to be painless).

Why does there have to be punishment. You either get rewarded with Heaven or you don't and just die.

If God cant be around sin, why did he create it?

God did not create sin. To help you understand this, let's have some examples.

What is darkness? The opposite of light, yes? Wrong. Darkness is the absence of light.

And what is cold? The opposite of heat, yes? Wrong. Cold is the absence of heat.

Likewise, evil is not the opposite of good, but the absence of it. In the Bible, Jesus says that God is the only one who is "good," so by that reasoning, evil is the absence of God.

But if God is omnipresent, how can he be absent from anywhere? Quite simply, God has given us the ability to deny him access to our hearts, and in doing so, evil is created.

so by not accepting God... I am evil.... despite being just as kind and self sacrificing as any christian I know?


also... someone who is denied access to any place in exsistance is not Omnipresent.... even if they themselves are the ones who denied access



BTW

cold is not the absence of heat... Cold is the absence of energy... heat is the release of energy... there is no force of Hot... Light is different as it is a particle... "darkness" literally is the absence of emissive photons... so your metaphor still works there... unless you are talking about all matter... where darkness is the abundance of non-emissive photons

Rotaretilbo wrote:I'm not sure which I would fear more: Hell, or oblivion. To the point, neither is exactly fun, and I wouldn't call either a worse fate than the other.

Would definitely prefer oblivion over Hell.

KrAzY wrote:so by not accepting God... I am evil.... despite being just as kind and self sacrificing as any christian I know?

Two of your neighbors sneak up in the night, and steal two of your expensive lawn decorations.
One comes back the next day, admits he did it, and asks you to forgive him.

KrAzY wrote:also... someone who is denied access to any place in exsistance is not Omnipresent.... even if they themselves are the ones who denied access

BTW

cold is not the absence of heat... Cold is the absence of energy... heat is the release of energy... there is no force of Hot... Light is different as it is a particle... "darkness" literally is the absence of emissive photons... so your metaphor still works there... unless you are talking about all matter... where darkness is the abundance of non-emissive photons

KrAzY... you're REALLY splitting hairs here.

splitting hairs?


I can tell you the equation for any one of those... entropy is a pretty easy formula actually.... can calculate the speed of light through an object....

can't do anything with dark matter tho... as my knowledge of DM only goes as far as the discovery channel




for one... I wouldn't leave anything I cared about sitting in my lawn.... and I would blame myself for not having installed a security camera


and the difference is.. I know I sin... as everybody does... but i'm not going to lie and say that someone is my savior just to avoid hell... as lieing to myself is worse than lieing to god IMO...

If God was truly omniscient he would be able to remove sin. If he can't be around it why create it in the first place? Yes God created sin, by giving Adam and Eve free will he paved the way for them to sin. The fact that their sins carried on into everyone else is bullshit, but it happened.

Here is a little commercial idea:

Do you sin? Of course you do, you were born into sin! There is no way to avoid it. You will always sin and nothing you do will ever make you a sin free person.

However, if you accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior this will give you the ability to wash away your sins at will! Just slept with your secretary? Ask forgiveness and start with a blank slate!

Have doubts it will work? No problems! There will always be doubt! As long as you believe that you can wash away your sins you can! Just accept Jesus Christ.

If you don't then you are not worthy to be with God and you will burn and be tortured for eternity in Hell. Join Christianity and be SAVED TODAY!


Do you see how the religion is made to try and scare people into believing? I mean come on, if you don't believe in God then you are not worthy of his presence. That does not sound like a reasonable and loving God to me.