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Which Holy War was Worse?

Post by Zaki90 on Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:43 pm

I have recently started a debate with some fellow students about if the current day "Jihad" against America is worse than the Crusader's "Jihad" for Jerusalem.

I'm have to say that the Crusaders were much much worse than our current day extremists.

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Re: Which Holy War was Worse?

Post by Gauz on Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:47 pm

Considering we don't have a number of casualties in the crusades combined... I wouldn't know.
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Re: Which Holy War was Worse?

Post by KrAzY on Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:18 pm

the crusades definitely...


war today is civil compared to the shit back then and the body count today is MUCH lower than any of the single crusades alone.




as for "motives"... both are differences in religious perspective culminating into violence... neither is more "noble" nor is either more correct or justified...
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Re: Which Holy War was Worse?

Post by Vigil on Wed Nov 18, 2009 4:16 am

The Crusades by far.

Their was no code of conduct or Geneva coventions of war.

The death toll was massive, combatants and civilans.

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Re: Which Holy War was Worse?

Post by kslidz on Thu Nov 19, 2009 6:52 pm

well you guys have said that there was no geneva convention back then so what makes the crusades worse for not having the geneva convention i dont see the logic trail in that

im not saying at all the the terrorism is worse than the crusades but neither am i saying the crusades were worse than terrorism but back to my point

so if today there is the geneva convention and the terrorist disobey that then wouldnt that make terrorism worse than crusades in that aspect

but another thing is the goals
the goal of the crusades was to purge the holy land of heathens and to gain holy treasures
the goal of terrorism today is to kill as many people as possible that are believed to be christian
so between fighting for land while killing anyone who was in the way versus killing as many people as possible, I would say killing for the sake of killing is worse

second was the era
in this era there were many wars and many peoples were fighting
in fact the first crusade was focused at Jerusalem an actual city with soldiers defending and the fatimids were already in a war
while today the first big terrorist attack was solely against a civilian building and not against an army or a fort

I dont really feel like typing any more cause i have a 2 page paper due tomorrow i havent started on about macbeth
but if you are looking at more than just kill count these are some facts you should checkout

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Re: Which Holy War was Worse?

Post by Gold Spartan on Thu Nov 19, 2009 6:56 pm

Crusades...and the Crusades are NOT jihads Zaki....
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Re: Which Holy War was Worse?

Post by Kasrkin Seath on Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:25 pm

there were muslim/christian wars before the crusades

Christian Spain got invaded before the Crusades began if I remember correctly

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Re: Which Holy War was Worse?

Post by Gold Spartan on Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:29 pm

Kasrkin Seath wrote:there were muslim/christian wars before the crusades

Christian Spain got invaded before the Crusades began if I remember correctly
First crusade:The retaking of Ireland
The Reconquista was NOT a crusade. Just the Spanish taking back Spain.
Last crusade:Spain's invasion of England, or better known as the Spanish Armada.
The Crusades weren't JUST fought over the holy land
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Re: Which Holy War was Worse?

Post by Zaki90 on Fri Nov 20, 2009 8:39 pm

Gold Spartan5 wrote:Crusades...and the Crusades are NOT jihads Zaki....

Crusades are "holy wars".

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Re: Which Holy War was Worse?

Post by Gold Spartan on Fri Nov 20, 2009 8:43 pm

Zaki90 wrote:
Gold Spartan5 wrote:Crusades...and the Crusades are NOT jihads Zaki....

Crusades are "holy wars".
So Europe invading Ireland under the cross is called a "holy war" now? Good to know.
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Re: Which Holy War was Worse?

Post by Dud Doodoo on Fri Nov 20, 2009 9:26 pm

Gold Spartan5 wrote:
Kasrkin Seath wrote:there were muslim/christian wars before the crusades

Christian Spain got invaded before the Crusades began if I remember correctly
First crusade:The retaking of Ireland
The Reconquista was NOT a crusade. Just the Spanish taking back Spain.
Last crusade:Spain's invasion of England, or better known as the Spanish Armada.
The Crusades weren't JUST fought over the holy land
Let's not forget the Teutonic Knights of Prussia and their war against Lithuania.

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Re: Which Holy War was Worse?

Post by Gold Spartan on Fri Nov 20, 2009 9:45 pm

Dud Doodoo wrote:
Gold Spartan5 wrote:
Kasrkin Seath wrote:there were muslim/christian wars before the crusades

Christian Spain got invaded before the Crusades began if I remember correctly
First crusade:The retaking of Ireland
The Reconquista was NOT a crusade. Just the Spanish taking back Spain.
Last crusade:Spain's invasion of England, or better known as the Spanish Armada.
The Crusades weren't JUST fought over the holy land
Let's not forget the Teutonic Knights of Prussia and their war against Lithuania.
I knew I forgot one. Only the Teutons failed miserably.
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Re: Which Holy War was Worse?

Post by Zaki90 on Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:35 am

Gold Spartan5 wrote:
Zaki90 wrote:
Gold Spartan5 wrote:Crusades...and the Crusades are NOT jihads Zaki....

Crusades are "holy wars".
So Europe invading Ireland under the cross is called a "holy war" now? Good to know.

Yes... it was still under the cross. Just like the Extremists under the crescent.

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Re: Which Holy War was Worse?

Post by Kasrkin Seath on Sat Nov 21, 2009 10:11 am

Gold Spartan5 wrote:
Kasrkin Seath wrote:there were muslim/christian wars before the crusades

Christian Spain got invaded before the Crusades began if I remember correctly
First crusade:The retaking of Ireland
The Reconquista was NOT a crusade. Just the Spanish taking back Spain.
Last crusade:Spain's invasion of England, or better known as the Spanish Armada.
The Crusades weren't JUST fought over the holy land

THat wasn't even what I was tlaking about

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Re: Which Holy War was Worse?

Post by Nocbl2 on Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:11 am

The Crusades had a massive number of casualties.
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Re: Which Holy War was Worse?

Post by kslidz on Sat Nov 21, 2009 12:32 pm

Nocbl2 wrote:The Crusades had a massive number of casualties.

wait.... are you serious... someone get the president this news must be shared!

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