US Healthcare Passed

by **CivBase** on Fri Dec 25, 2009 4:30 am

Surprised nobody has posted this yet.

Illegal immigrants and abortions are now covered by the US government. If you do not purchase healthcare, you will be fined and jailed. Expensive insurance plans are now more expensive (they are taxed). The wealthy is now taxed even more. Merry Christmas.

EDIT: By the way, not a single Republican senator voted for it. In fact, there were still a few Democrat senators who didn't vote for it. Unfortunately, it still made it through after a ton of specific favors to moderates in order to gain votes.

by **Angatar** on Fri Dec 25, 2009 4:35 am

Holy shit, since when are you a mod?

Oh, and on-topic... I don't like the idea of illegal immigrants having healthcare and more expensive healthcare.

by Carcarius on Fri Dec 25, 2009 4:36 am

care to link to the source?

by **CivBase** on Fri Dec 25, 2009 4:46 am

There is no source.

You can read the bill if it makes you feel better. Do yourself a favor, though, and get a cup of coffee first. You'll be reading for a while.

by ReconToaster on Fri Dec 25, 2009 5:26 am

CivBase wrote:
Illegal immigrants and abortions are now covered by the US government.

Sounds fantastic!

CivBase wrote:If you do not purchase healthcare, you will be fined and jailed.

I'm sure there's more to it than that....

CivBase wrote:Expensive insurance plans are now more expensive (they are taxed). The wealthy is now taxed even more. Merry Christmas.

Sounds good to me. Government should operate in the best interest of the common man. It's already done enough to make the rich richer.

Civ wrote:EDIT: By the way, not a single Republican senator voted for it. In fact, there were still a few Democrat senators who didn't vote for it. Unfortunately, it still made it through after a ton of specific favors to moderates in order to gain votes.

Partisan politics at its finest!

by laxspartan007 on Fri Dec 25, 2009 5:28 am

republicans have the right idea...

by kslidz on Fri Dec 25, 2009 5:48 am

ReconToaster wrote:
CivBase wrote:
Illegal immigrants and abortions are now covered by the US government.

Sounds fantastic!

Partisan politics at its finest![/quote]

wait youre serious?

what about that is fair

by **CivBase** on Fri Dec 25, 2009 6:09 am

ReconToaster wrote:
CivBase wrote:Illegal immigrants and abortions are now covered by the US government.
Sounds fantastic!

Well, so does robbing a bank or enslaving a troop of local girl scouts to bake me cookies 24/7, but that doesn't make it right.

ReconToaster wrote:
CivBase wrote:If you do not purchase healthcare, you will be fined and jailed.
I'm sure there's more to it than that...

If you do not have healthcare, be it private or public, you will be fined and jailed. Are there a few exceptions? Probably. But that doesn't make it okay. They are forcing citizens to purchase a product that quite a few DO NOT WANT.

ReconToaster wrote:Sounds good to me. Government should operate in the best interest of the common man. It's already done enough to make the rich richer.

Perhaps you're not familiar with a capitalistic economy? Most of the rich are where they are because they worked to get there. Most of the poor are where they are because they didn't do hardly any work at all. Yah, there are some exceptions, but that's what welfare and medicare are for.

The government's job is not to operate in the best interest of the public; the government's job is to protect our rights as citizens (this includes not taking our money to give to criminals and not forcing us to buy something we don't want). You cannot go with majority rules on everything, because sometimes the same people are always in the majority. Such is the case with the two-party system.

As I said, this bill passed without any republican support (and even without some democratic support as well). You can't have it so that the same people win every time because there are a few more of them. That means that the rest get kicked to the curb.

ReconToaster wrote:
Civ wrote:EDIT: By the way, not a single Republican senator voted for it. In fact, there were still a few Democrat senators who didn't vote for it. Unfortunately, it still made it through after a ton of specific favors to moderates in order to gain votes.

Partisan politics at its finest!

Just because a sleazy tactic worked in your favor doesn't mean that it's "at its finest."

by Zaki90 on Fri Dec 25, 2009 6:19 am

Wait the public option pass...

I saw it but didn't feel like posting it after I posted the one which passed congress. Who was that guy who said it wouldn't pass.

Oh yah.

KrAzY wrote:still has to go through sentate.... who aren't going to pass it after they see half the congressmen not get re-elected

CivBase wrote:Yah. Doesn't look like it's making it through the Senate.

Krazy and Civbase you ARE WRONG!!!!

by ReconToaster on Fri Dec 25, 2009 6:21 am

civ wrote:Well, so does robbing a bank, but that doesn't make it right.

Robbing a bank is a major hassle, and you're likely to get caught.

Civ wrote:If you do not have healthcare, be it private or public, you will be fined and jailed. Are there a few exceptions? Probably. But that doesn't make it okay. They are forcing citizens to purchase a product that quite a few DO NOT WANT.

Well that's dumb. I'd still like a perspective from someone who isn't clearly biased.

Civ wrote:Perhaps you're not familiar with a capitalistic economy? Most of the rich are where they are because they worked to get there. Most of the poor are where they are because they didn't do hardly any work at all. Yah, there are some exceptions, but that's what welfare and medicare are for.

The problem here is that the rich eventually come to take control of government, and shape it in a way which makes them even more wealthy, and prevents the poor from BECOMING wealthy. Your idea that wealth reflects the amount of work a person does is old fashioned and unrealistic.

Civ wrote:The government's job is not to operate in the best interest of the public; the government's job is to protect our rights as citizens

Then perhaps healthcare should be a right.

Civ wrote:Just because a sleazy tactic worked in your favor doesn't mean that it's "at its finest."

Which is why that phrase is usually used sarcastically. I think the concept of partisan politics is flawed.

by **KrAzY** on Fri Dec 25, 2009 6:29 am

taxing the people who give the jobs will only worsen the unemployment problem

and now people are FORCED to buy insurance... so people who can't afford it are going to end up even more in debt from the fines.

this isn't a socialist country... there are no cases of socalism working... I don't see why people seem to think it will.

in a few months there are going to be quite a few congressmen who don't get their jobs back... most of my friends are democrat... and only 1 is happy about this shit.

by **CivBase** on Fri Dec 25, 2009 6:38 am

ReconToaster wrote:
civ wrote:Well, so does robbing a bank, but that doesn't make it right.

Robbing a bank is a major hassle, and you're likely to get caught.

This isn't a question of ease, it's a question of morality.

ReconToaster wrote:
Civ wrote:If you do not have healthcare, be it private or public, you will be fined and jailed. Are there a few exceptions? Probably. But that doesn't make it okay. They are forcing citizens to purchase a product that quite a few DO NOT WANT.

Well that's dumb. I'd still like a perspective from someone who isn't clearly biased.

You can read the bill if it makes you feel better

ReconToaster wrote:
Civ wrote:Perhaps you're not familiar with a capitalistic economy? Most of the rich are where they are because they worked to get there. Most of the poor are where they are because they didn't do hardly any work at all. Yah, there are some exceptions, but that's what welfare and medicare are for.

The problem here is that the rich eventually come to take control of government, and shape it in a way which makes them even more wealthy, and prevents the poor from BECOMING wealthy. Your idea that wealth reflects the amount of work a person does is old fashioned and unrealistic.

So you're suggesting that the rich (who run the government) are taxing themselves because they're corrupt? I didn't realize our government was so humble.[/sarcasm]

You're suggesting that we tax the rich and bring the money down to the poor. In that case, where's the motivation? I have no reason to work hard to become rich if it will just be taken away. Our population of lazy bums that clog up the welfare system is already growing. We should no be encouraging this!

ReconToaster wrote:
Civ wrote:The government's job is not to operate in the best interest of the public; the government's job is to protect our rights as citizens

Then perhaps healthcare should be a right.

The rights I am referring to are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Healthcare is not a right, it is a service.

ReconToaster wrote:
Civ wrote:Just because a sleazy tactic worked in your favor doesn't mean that it's "at its finest."

Which is why that phrase is usually used sarcastically. I think the concept of partisan politics is flawed.

Well good. At least we can agree on something.

by ReconToaster on Fri Dec 25, 2009 6:43 am

Krazy wrote:this isn't a socialist country... there are no cases of socalism working... I don't see why people seem to think it will.

One could argue that capitalism isn't working either. It all depends on how you define success.

Civ wrote:This isn't a question of ease, it's a question of morality.

And I think that funding abortion and illegal immigrants is perfectly moral.

Civ wrote:So you're suggesting that the rich (who run the government) are taxing themselves because they're corrupt? I didn't realize our government was so humble.[/sarcasm]

What I'm suggesting is that a pure capitalistic economy is unsustainable.

Civ wrote:You're suggesting that we tax the rich and bring the money down to the poor. In that case, where's the motivation? I have no reason to work hard to become rich if it will just be taken away. Our population of lazy bums that clog up the welfare system is already growing. We should no be encouraging this!

I love your elitist rationale that the poor in our society are all lazy bums. Plenty of people below the poverty level work their asses off every day, and still remain poor.

And I'm not suggesting that we start taxing the rich so much that they are no longer more wealthy than everyone else. I'm just suggesting that those with more money should be forced to contribute a little more. There would still be motivation to obtain more wealth.

Civ wrote:The rights I am referring to are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Healthcare is not a right, it is a service.

it's not a right as defined by our declaration of independence. I'm suggesting that we make the service of Healthcare a "right."

by **CivBase** on Fri Dec 25, 2009 6:46 am

No, no one couldn't.

by ReconToaster on Fri Dec 25, 2009 6:55 am

CivBase wrote:No, no one couldn't.

Really? I think the problem is that you measure success based on materialistic, capitalist values.

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