I have a question

Um... how did asking why guys stare at Megan Fox turn into an argument about woman's rights?

anyway, we're also (aside from the military) not talking about any sort of limitations of rights, or any kind of gender-related legislation.

we're talking about the roles that genders SHOULD fill. voluntarily.

Mr. Grenade wrote:Um... how did asking why guys stare at Megan Fox turn into an argument about woman's rights?

I'll proudly take credit for that...

ReconToaster wrote:anyway, we're also (aside from the military) not talking about any sort of limitations of rights, or any kind of gender-related legislation.

we're talking about the roles that genders SHOULD fill. voluntarily.

Mr. Grenade wrote:Um... how did asking why guys stare at Megan Fox turn into an argument about woman's rights?

I'll proudly take credit for that...

Okay just wondering

Basically, Toaster wants all women to build pyramids (with gibm gold sammichs on top) and be as non-threatening about it as possible.

Seperate is inherently unequal. Men probably have it better in the bathrooms, cause they only have to deal with dirty toilets if they take a shit, but women get extra stalls, etc. The benefits given to both make them not want gender-neutral bathrooms, and it is not within their rights to invade privacy and demand gender-neutral bathrooms.

We already have willing segregation, mothers stay at home while fathers work. However, if one person doesn't want this role, they should have the right to have it without being judged.

It's such a multi-faceted debate that it's pretty ridiculous. If equality is demanded, equality should be served within our abilities. Noone is demanding gender-neutral bathrooms and it is not within our ability to change anatomy.

Actually, there are people demanding gender neutral bathrooms. I brought it up because I thought it was here, but it must have been some other place where I had a debate with someone who thought that gender segregated bathrooms were inherently evil.

I would also note that we segregate in other facets of our lifem, as well. If you are driving south, you will drive on the west side of the road. If you are driving north, you will drive on the east side of the road. If you are driving east, you will drive on the south side of the road. If you are driving west, you will drive on the north side of the road. That, my friends, is seperate but equal, and it has worked quite well for quite a long time.

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I sure as hell ain't letting no women carry things when i have free hands.

that's all i really think about with "sexual equality"

double post

I think gender neutral bathrooms are fine.


I don't really see a problem with it...

Gender neutral bathrooms present the problem of urinals. With them, ladies can take a gander. Without them, men have to pee in stalls, which means that toilet seats will invariably be more dirty than normal.

Errr... no they can't?
That's not a problem. I'm pretty sure gay guys that go to the bathroom don't go around staring at guys taking pisses rot.

I'm pretty sure girls can also be modest.

Rotaretilbo wrote:Actually, there are people demanding gender neutral bathrooms. I brought it up because I thought it was here, but it must have been some other place where I had a debate with someone who thought that gender segregated bathrooms were inherently evil.

I would also note that we segregate in other facets of our lifem, as well. If you are driving south, you will drive on the west side of the road. If you are driving north, you will drive on the east side of the road. If you are driving east, you will drive on the south side of the road. If you are driving west, you will drive on the north side of the road. That, my friends, is seperate but equal, and it has worked quite well for quite a long time.

That's a totally different usage of the word segregation. It's technically segregation, but it isn't at all the focus of the conversation.

Ziggy wrote:I really do hope for the sake of your future partners/wives/girlfriends that this misogyny is playful, even though it's horribly sexist regardless.

Who's 'misogyny?'









...Monsieur Fifi

Baconsen wrote:...

I sure as hell ain't letting no women carry things when i have free hands.

that's all i really think about with "sexual equality"

Yeah, I'm really not going much further than that. I think that we as a culture have certain gender related principles, and those should be promoted and voluntarily accepted.

A woman should be able to get a job. She should be able to do everything that a man is allowed to do. However, just as a man should be the sole financial provider of a house hold, a woman should be the sole caregiver of children.

The irony here is that almost every American already accepts these concepts, and yet they are repulsed when they are fed back to them. When a man takes a woman out on a date, who pays? The man. If a man has, as you say, a free hand, he should take the initiative to carry heavy objects. If a man and a woman come upon a door, the man should hold the damn thing open for her. If two men get into a fight, it is acceptable for one man to punch the other in the face. If a man and a woman get into a fight... and the man punches the woman in the face... he is a worthless piece of shit.

Simple stuff like that just goes to show how much we as a society appreciate and live by gender-related principles. That's why we so easily accept the idea of drafting young men into the military, while we find the idea of doing the same to young women to be absolutely horrendous.

Little girls are given baby dolls and playhouses to entertain themselves with. Little boys are given toy guns and footballs. We are trained from birth to fill certain roles, and I don't think we should just give up on all that social training.

rot wrote:Actually, there are people demanding gender neutral bathrooms. I brought it up because I thought it was here, but it must have been some other place where I had a debate with someone who thought that gender segregated bathrooms were inherently evil.

I suppose it could promote like... shameful thinking toward your particular genders' genitalia? Like... it is something you should keep hidden from the opposite sex, and something that you should be embarrassed of? In that case, we should eliminate stalls and urinal dividers as well.

All restrooms should be fitted with those God-awful troughs full of ice, with mirrors in-front of them.

so basically, you're saying that everything should be like it is, but without the rising pressure on people to do non-traditional gender roles?


that sounds reasonable as long as it doesn't cross over into strongly encouraging or forcing people around