Prolife or Prochoice?

I'm more prolife because since I don't really intend on getting pregnant, I don't have to worry about any of the "omg carrying an unwanted baby for 9 months and raising it stuff... how inconvenient" and as such, I can focus on the "omg ur killing a baby! MURDERER"

really though, I don't understand why I'm profile considering that I'm all for the killing of people I don't like very much. Maybe it's just because babies are more innocent or something. Or it could be because it's been drilled into me by my padres. The point is, there wasn't really a point in making this post at all actually.

I would simply like to ask why must there be a definite beginning to humanity? Humanity is a big thing, it comes in little parts. I believe the first part becomes at the first forming of the conscience, emotions, etc. You know, the things that make us HUMAN?

TNine wrote:I would simply like to ask why must there be a definite beginning to humanity? Humanity is a big thing, it comes in little parts. I believe the first part becomes at the first forming of the conscience, emotions, etc. You know, the things that make us HUMAN?

You just defined your version of a definite begining.

Why must there be one? So that you know wether to classify a growing child as "Human" or as "Thing", which is practically where the entire debate comes from

babies in the womb are parasites:

1.
an organism that lives on or in an organism, known as the host, from the body of which it obtains nutriment.

The female body views male fetus's as foriegn objects

KristallNacht wrote:babies in the womb are parasites:

1.
an organism that lives on or in an organism, known as the host, from the body of which it obtains nutriment.

And? So everyone was a parasite at one point in time by that logic.

but we're no longer such litteral parasites.

does that mean a tapeworm that will eventually leave your body is any less a parasite?


http://www.esquire.com/women/women-issue/survey-of-american-women-0510

question twelve is of particular interest.

seems that you guys can argue all you want, but if we let women choose then its legal.

You are not any more, but you were.
You cannot compare to a tapework, because tapeworms will never grow into a human being.

I dont care what they say, I have my own opinion. An honestly, from who I know IRL, the stats are waaaay different.

maybe cause you only know 12 yr old girls?

KristallNacht wrote:maybe cause you only know 12 yr old girls?

Virtually every female I know is in the 15 - 80 Something range. Not counting family it'd be like 15 - 30.

Where was the poll taken? Different areas of the nation tend to have opposing views on such matters.

its esquire, they' probably polled people from all all over

Tylerltat wrote:Ok, i again ask, when DOES it deomonstrate "human qualities". a newborn child is incapable of sustaining itself, movement, arguably of showing any emotion other than comfort/discomfort... To not take care of that child is neglegent homicide, but to intentionally kill a locationally dissimilar "entitiy" based on those same traits is justified? I still don't know what you or the oppostion consider 'human'.

Jesus fucking Christ man, I've answered that a dozen times!!! HERE! I'LL QUOTE MY PREVIOUS POSTS FOR YOU. PERHAPS THAT WILL MAKE IT EASIER FOR YOU...

ReconToaster wrote: A fertilized egg is certainly, by definition, "human," but there's more to "humanity" than simply belonging to a species.

ReconToaster wrote:...it is not a contributing member of society, or that no other human being is in anyway dependent on it... or that, as it stands, no other human being posses any form of affection toward it. An embryo does not have emotions. It does not think for itself, or interact in any way with the outside world. It lives a solitary existence.

Pro-life advocates often claim that those who support abortion do not understand the value of human life. To the contrary, I think I understand it even better. The value of human life is not derived from our genetic composition.

ReconToaster wrote:The fetus in question does not have emotions, or emotional connections with any other human being on Earth. At early stages, it hardly demonstrates any of what you and I would call "human characteristics."

ReconToaster wrote: Every creature on this earth is "alive," but you do not value it as you value human life. Every creature on this earth is composed of cells, but you do not value it as you value human life. THOSE TRAITS ARE NECESSARY FOR HUMAN LIFE BUT THEY ARE NOT WHAT MAKE HUMAN LIFE UNIQUE AND VALUABLE.

ReconToaster wrote: I don't think it matters when life begins. What matters is when it comes to demonstrate uniquely human characteristics. A fetus which feels no emotions and is not loved by anyone on the outside world, and does not even resemble the human form, isn't what I call human life.

ReconToaster wrote:the jews killed in the holocaust were already living human beings who contributed to society PRIOR TO BEING KILLED. This is what sets me off about PETA members comparing thanksgiving to the holocaust. TURKEYS DO NOT CONTRIBUTE TO SOCIETY OR HAVE ANY ADVANCED EMOTIONS.

Finally, since you clearly were not capable of simply reading between the lines, THIS: HERE IS WHERE, JUST FIVE POSTS AWAY FROM THE ONE I'M RESPONDING TO NOW, I SAID THIS:

ReconToaster wrote:Humanity is obtained, at the very least, when a human being is capable of practicing compassion, or is at least an object of compassion. Humanity does not come with physical attributes. And yes, such traits to come with our DNA, but that's not what matters to me. At its time of death, a human fetus does not and never has demonstrated such traits.

So there you have it. At the very least, on top of being a member of the human species, one must, at the very least, either show compassion toward others or HAVE COMPASSION SHOWN UNTO THEM.

In other words, it's wrong to abort a child against a mothers' will because that mother likely has great affection for the child. Once a fetus is out of the womb, it is part of the outside world and, in a sense, part of society, and thus it is even more human.

Recon, the whole thing comes down to a matter of opinion, we are just going in circles on it. I think it should just be dropped.

besides, you can't even abort Fetuses....you can only abort Embryos

kasrkin seath wrote:

KristallNacht wrote:maybe cause you only know 12 yr old girls?

Virtually every female I know is in the 15 - 80 Something range. Not counting family it'd be like 15 - 30.

Where was the poll taken? Different areas of the nation tend to have opposing views on such matters.

From the bottom of the poll itself:

The Survey of the American Woman was taken by 9,617 women on Esquire.com (and other Web sites) between February 4 and March 3, 2010. Since the pool of respondents was limited to Internet-connected adults, the results do not reflect a scientifically random sample of the population. But it's still fun.

Read more: http://www.esquire.com/women/women-issue/survey-of-american-women-0510#ixzz0lmmhVAlu