Are Humans Forerunners?

I was going to reply fully to Your argument ring, but then it became obvious that you wouldn't listen and the fact that you missed the answer to your question in the terminals, and the fact most of the evidence points against it.

Seriously I had enough, as it always the same with you, as you're stuck in you're own little loop about what you percieve is right and what is wrong with Halo canon.

All we'd achieve was about 10 hours of bitching to and fro and we'd have another thread locked.

I tended to equate it to a Mass Effectish cycle, where one hyperadvanced species took interest in primitive species and altered their evolution, allow them to rise to become the next hyperadvanced species as the previous species faded into myth and legend.

But that's just me.

Vigil wrote:I was going to reply fully to Your argument ring, but then it became obvious that you wouldn't listen and the fact that you missed the answer to your question in the terminals, and the fact most of the evidence points against it.

Seriously I had enough, as it always the same with you, as you're stuck in you're own little loop about what you percieve is right and what is wrong with Halo canon.

All we'd achieve was about 10 hours of bitching to and fro and we'd have another thread locked.



You may not like the image, and you may bitch about it, but frankly, I don't care anymore, as this all that comes to mind.

Well, you bring up some great points there Vigil, but you know, it is a debate thread, and you don't have to participate if you don't want to (But you did already? I guess slinking out of a debate you participated by whipping out that card the honorable way out). But why would a debate thread get locked because of debates? Isn't that a little Thought Nazish in itself?





Bungie DID put the "linage confirmed" sound byte in game, I WONDER WHY VIGIL!?, (oh wait, sorry, your're above petty debates in a debate thread you participated in), anyone else interested in debating in the debate thread?

Oh boy, the new counterargument, "RL, YOU DEBATE SO MUCH, THAT YOUR WRONG!!!!"

Personally, I believe that Forerunners are humans separated and accelerated by the Precursers... allows them to build an empire and discover Humanity, while being (Debatably) humans themselves.

I'LL TAKE IT!!!

I tended to equate it to a Mass Effectish cycle, where one hyperadvanced species took interest in primitive species and altered their evolution, allow them to rise to become the next hyperadvanced species as the previous species faded into myth and legend.

Like the Precoursers uplifting humans into Forerunners? Like, what I said not 10 posts ago? Like, what you F&$@#ING attacked with that completely inappropriate motivational? Nah, couldn't be...

Ring this is exactly why I don't want to persue this anymore, because this isn't a debate. It's :

'I'm right and your wrong and there's no evidence, argument or words that will change my opinion.'

That's why the last thread got locked and it's why this would.

I don't mind debating a point, hell I did this argument a lot after Halo 3 came out, but to be honest, even if everybody on this site disagreed with you, you'd still say that we were wrong. That's fine, you're entitled to your opinion and at the very least I respect your right to one, but this isn't really a debate when your opinion is immovable.

The second reason is you turn it into personal attacks. The picture was unnessecary and unfair, but even if I had put up every counter argument and told you to read the librarians and didadects transmissions and how they were cataloguing the galaxies life, and the last planet was earth were the last portal was built, you'd either ignore what I said, or be overly agrressive and patronising.

I apologise for the picture.

If you want a debate fine, but I'm not going to particpate if you continue in this manner.

So you all could careless that guilty spark says "you are forerunner" to master cheif

[quote=Ringleader"]Like the Precoursers uplifting humans into Forerunners? Like, what I said not 10 posts ago? Like, what you F&$@#ING attacked with that completely inappropriate motivational? Nah, couldn't be...[/quote]

No. Not at all. He was saying that the Precursors lifted the entire Forerunner race up, and the Forerunners then lifted the entire human race up. The fact that you managed to misinterpret that shows just how desperate you are to grasp at the frailest evidence of your point.

Avenged wrote:So you all could careless that guilty spark says "you are forerunner" to master cheif

Spark is also raving bat shit mad. The Terminals make it very clear that the human race is just some species that the Forerunner stumbled upon and happened to like us more than some other races, so we were given the mantle of Reclaimer. We are those who came after the Forerunner. All evidence suggests this. You think that the Forerunner came from Earth, created a giant empire that spanned the galaxy, and just randomly didn't know that they were humans and had no knowledge of Earth?

Avenged wrote:So you all could careless that guilty spark says "you are forerunner" to master cheif

I take the testimony of a clearly derranged and rampant AI, who was trying to kill you, with a pinch of salt.

Besides, I don't think he meant it in the literal sense, more as a way to explain that they are to become what the Forerunners were. 'Inheritors of all they left behind, your are Forerunner.'

I feel that's more in context.

Hell the whole title 'Reclaimer' is about how we are to succeed the Forerunners, and reclaim their role in the galaxy.

Ring this is exactly why I don't want to persue this anymore, because this isn't a debate. It's :

'I'm right and your wrong and there's no evidence, argument or words that will change my opinion.'

That's why the last thread got locked and it's why this would.

Actually the last thread got locked because:

if you want to debate... then come up with an actual debate, and not a one sided rant

Whereas this is a conjectural sort of thing, or at least more so.

As far as your evidence goes:

I tended to equate it to a Mass Effectish cycle, where one hyperadvanced species took interest in primitive species and altered their evolution, allow them to rise to become the next hyperadvanced species as the previous species faded into myth and legend.

Well pardon me for not taking your thinking tendencies as ample evidence to suggest the Forerunners are not humans...

I don't mind debating a point, hell I did this argument a lot after Halo 3 came out, but to be honest, even if everybody on this site disagreed with you, you'd still say that we were wrong. That's fine, you're entitled to your opinion and at the very least I respect your right to one, but this isn't really a debate when your opinion is immovable.

Not really, if Bungie came out and said that Humans and Forerunners are not related, then I would agree. You seem to think my opinion is immovable because I don't consider your hunches as evidence to negate any relation between humans and Forerunners. I provide videos, of materials BUNGIE THEMSELF PUT IN GAME, in which when a human accesses a Forerunner terminal, the terminal says "Lineage Confirmed". You said you equate the mass effect extinction cycle with the Halo cycle, alright, I can dig that, just show me some proof? You seem to think that just because you say something is there, it is, without providing evidence.

I can see similarities, but I'm not going to start filling in the blanks when one universe doesn't elaborate on something another universe did.

The second reason is you turn it into personal attacks. The picture was unnessecary and unfair, but even if I had put up every counter argument and told you to read the librarians and didadects transmissions and how they were cataloguing the galaxies life, and the last planet was earth were the last portal was built, you'd either ignore what I said, or be overly agrressive and patronising.

Personal attacks? Wtf are you talking about? The incident involving NT? Because I don't recall this personal attack, unless a disagreement is now considered a personal attack.

So, you post that motivational poster about me having my head of my ass, and I'm guilty of personal attacks, and your the better man out of this...

Oh, and when you mentioned the librarian the first time, I RE-read all 7 archives to make EXTRA sure, this is why I felt comfortable enough to respond saying no, there is not irrefutable evidence suggesting no past relations between humans and Forerunners. Have you even looked into that video I provided? Probably not.

If you want a debate fine, but I'm not going to particpate if you continue in this manner.

This manner?

No. Not at all. He was saying that the Precursors lifted the entire Forerunner race up, and the Forerunners then lifted the entire human race up. The fact that you managed to misinterpret that shows just how desperate you are to grasp at the frailest evidence of your point.

Arlight, I'm going to stop you right there, firstly, yes, what he said could be interpreted as Precoursers uplifting humans into Forerunners, because at THAT point in history, the two could have been the same. From that point the Forerunners could have stumbled across their old homeworld, and uplifted it's inhabitants much in the same way the Precoursers did to them.

And no, what he said was just more conjecture, and I'm not that desperate to disprove of it because there isn't much evidence going either way in regards to what the Precoursers did. It's not like he stated something Bungie physically put into their game's audio files. Because if Bungie did put something into their audio files, that'd be something...

Oh wait, no one has addressed that point yet, about Bungie physically putting a sound byte into Halo 3 saying 'Lineage Confirmed' when a human accessed a Forerunner terminal.

Spark is also raving bat shit mad.

Oh, Ok, so when Spark ONLY mentions the relationship between Forerunners and Humans, he's a raving lunatic, but any other time then that, your following him around, and doing what he tells you without question...

aaaaand he tells you exactly what to do in order to activate Halo, without saying "Walk of this cliff, Reclaimer."

Yeah, Spark made it clear that Forerunners and Humans shared history in the first Halo, back when the average gamer could understand parameters of a video game mystery. Spark said "Oh, I will enjoy every moment of it's categorization!, How I look forward to seeing our lost history!" Or something to that effect, the most important thing is that he says: "Our lost history!" He must be referring to the long lost grunt history.

Yeah, I find it odd, that he generally makes sense, and is almost completely fine... UNTIL HE MENTIONS FORERUNNERS AND HUMANS!!!

Just because he tries to kill you, doesn't make him delusional... He had a purpose, and what Chief was doing risked A LOT, only to save himself and Cortana, and possibly captain Keyes (the entire galaxy). Chief had a mission, to kill all the aliens, he must be delusional because he had a reason to kill them. Spark must be wrong about humans and Forerunners... because he hums, and calls himself a genius. He must have made up that one little factoid only and it must be wrong because...

Well who knows why that one thing is wrong amidst everything else he says?

Ringleader wrote:
Arlight, I'm going to stop you right there, firstly, yes, what he said could be interpreted as Precoursers uplifting humans into Forerunners, because at THAT point in history, the two could have been the same. From that point the Forerunners could have stumbled across their old homeworld, and uplifted it's inhabitants much in the same way the Precoursers did to them.

And no, what he said was just more conjecture, and I'm not that desperate to disprove of it because there isn't much evidence going either way in regards to what the Precoursers did. It's not like he stated something Bungie physically put into their game's audio files. Because if Bungie did put something into their audio files, that'd be something...

Oh wait, no one has addressed that point yet, about Bungie physically putting a sound byte into Halo 3 saying 'Lineage Confirmed' when a human accessed a Forerunner terminal.

Lineage doesn't mean they're biologically related. I believe that 'Lineage Confirmed' means that humanity DID infact inherit the mantle.

Ring wrote:

Spark is also raving bat shit mad.

Oh, Ok, so when Spark ONLY mentions the relationship between Forerunners and Humans, he's a raving lunatic, but any other time then that, your following him around, and doing what he tells you without question...

aaaaand he tells you exactly what to do in order to activate Halo, without saying "Walk of this cliff, Reclaimer."

Yeah, Spark made it clear that Forerunners and Humans shared history in the first Halo, back when the average gamer could understand parameters of a video game mystery. Spark said "Oh, I will enjoy every moment of it's categorization!, How I look forward to seeing our lost history!" Or something to that effect, the most important thing is that he says: "Our lost history!" He must be referring to the long lost grunt history.

Yeah, I find it odd, that he generally makes sense, and is almost completely fine... UNTIL HE MENTIONS FORERUNNERS AND HUMANS!!!

Just because he tries to kill you, doesn't make him delusional... He had a purpose, and what Chief was doing risked A LOT, only to save himself and Cortana, and possibly captain Keyes (the entire galaxy). Chief had a mission, to kill all the aliens, he must be delusional because he had a reason to kill them. Spark must be wrong about humans and Forerunners... because he hums, and calls himself a genius. He must have made up that one little factoid only and it must be wrong because...

Well who knows why that one thing is wrong amidst everything else he says?

It's possible he's reffering to the 'lost history' of the Reclaimers, and not just the Forerunners.

Linage Confirmed =/= Forerunner confirmation


it is more likely confirming the Linage of a Reclaimer, who'se presence is more important on the arc and halo rings

Ring. I agree that Vigil's picture was unnecessary. However, your responses bring only one picture to mind.



You are the little chiuaua, hopelessly barking at the face of indifference.

This is not an attack on you. I'd We'd just like you to please stop insulting people. I know I'm guilty of it too, but you seem to do it with almost every word you say. Calling people stupid with each comeback does not make you look smarter, it makes you look like a jerk. That's why we banned NT; it gets old.

Debating isn't about convincing everyone to subscribe to your idea. It's about presenting your idea, listening to all sides, and using them to refine or reform your own opinions. It's about evolving your idea until it is perfect. Your opponent isn't an enemy, so don't treat him like one.

if you want to debate... then come up with an actual debate, and not a one sided rant

I'm sorry ring, but that's what your doing, whether you realise it or not.

Well pardon me for not taking your thinking tendencies as ample evidence to suggest the Forerunners are not humans...

I never said they were.

Not really, if Bungie came out and said that Humans and Forerunners are not related, then I would agree. You seem to think my opinion is immovable because I don't consider your hunches as evidence to negate any relation between humans and Forerunners. I provide videos, of materials BUNGIE THEMSELF PUT IN GAME, in which when a human accesses a Forerunner terminal, the terminal says "Lineage Confirmed". You said you equate the mass effect extinction cycle with the Halo cycle, alright, I can dig that, just show me some proof? You seem to think that just because you say something is there, it is, without providing evidence.

I can see similarities, but I'm not going to start filling in the blanks when one universe doesn't elaborate on something another universe did.

I put up plenty of evidence to disprove your point, Origins I shows the Forerunners taking early humans to the ark to be saved. Iris shows early humans as the Portal is constructed from Africa. The librarian talks about her discovery of this species and how they are special, as well as the discussion on the importance of the mantle, and how it was passed on to humans.

Personal attacks? Wtf are you talking about? The incident involving NT? Because I don't recall this personal attack, unless a disagreement is now considered a personal attack.

So, you post that motivational poster about me having my head of my ass, and I'm guilty of personal attacks, and your the better man out of this...

Oh, and when you mentioned the librarian the first time, I RE-read all 7 archives to make EXTRA sure, this is why I felt comfortable enough to respond saying no, there is not irrefutable evidence suggesting no past relations between humans and Forerunners. Have you even looked into that video I provided? Probably not.

You were very condescending and rude during the last debate in the Reach thread.

''Oh, its curved and angular, and it's purple, IT MUST BE COVENANT! No actually, that's not all the prerequisites for Covenant vehicles/ships, they still require something a little more then bieng pink and curvy.''- Overly patronising

''Oh, it has a wraith mortar? thanks for telling me, because I clearly did not say this myself in the picture I showed. No, aside from bieng pink and curvy, it does not at all resemble previous vehicles/units, it's design is unbelievably sloppy and completely forgettable. Ahhh, fanboyism, how thee hast lowered expectations in all of Halonia.."- Patronising and condoscending, you treat me as if I'm stupid and I don't know what I'm saying.

I apologised and removed it because that was out of line, and wasn't fair. If I'm a 'better man' because of it, I leave that one up to you.

I did look at your video throughly, and it confrimed what I was saying, hence I was surprised when you still said it was proof of the exact opposite.

This manner?

*That image*

No, and I was out of line, and I apologised for it and removed it.

Still you've done something like that to me.



As for 'Lineage confirmed'. I don't think it means what you think it does. We share a evolutionary lineage with Apes, but we are not the same species. I think it was more an confrimation on being a reclaimer, which as I've already explained are not Forerunners

You guys are really over thinking this