Are Humans Forerunners?

The way he talks to Chief in the control room shows he's a little off his trolley. He hmmms and talks to himself.



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I get the same sensation of huge great backstory from listening to Guilty Spark talk as I do/did listening to Sovereign talk in ME1.

Love it. ^_^

Ringleader wrote:Oh, Ok, so when Spark ONLY mentions the relationship between Forerunners and Humans, he's a raving lunatic, but any other time then that, your following him around, and doing what he tells you without question...

You may not have noticed this, but Spark is raving mad through the entire game, and you don't really have a choice but do what he says. He constantly endagers your life needlessly, almost seemingly purposely. He constantly raves on about how you, personally, have already done this before, and how you, personally, talked to him before the last firing. The guy is fucking nuts. Period. Everything he says must be taken with a grain of salt.

Ringleader wrote:aaaaand he tells you exactly what to do in order to activate Halo, without saying "Walk of this cliff, Reclaimer."

"Just wait here by this door that conveniently won't open, while I go off and watch some porn. You should be fine, I mean, this place is just completely overrun by the Flood. I could deploy some Sentinels to help, but...that would just ruin the fun, now, wouldn't it?"

Ringleader wrote:Yeah, Spark made it clear that Forerunners and Humans shared history in the first Halo, back when the average gamer could understand parameters of a video game mystery. Spark said "Oh, I will enjoy every moment of it's categorization!, How I look forward to seeing our lost history!" Or something to that effect, the most important thing is that he says: "Our lost history!" He must be referring to the long lost grunt history.

Our lost time, Ring. There is no indication that this is Forerunner history, just that it is history that he has not been able to keep track of.

Ringleader wrote:Yeah, I find it odd, that he generally makes sense, and is almost completely fine... UNTIL HE MENTIONS FORERUNNERS AND HUMANS!!!

You should probably go back and play through The Library again.

Ringleader wrote:Just because he tries to kill you, doesn't make him delusional...

No, but thinking that you personally were present last time the rings were fired and that you had asked him questions without having ever met him or even existed does make him delusional.

Ringleader wrote:He had a purpose, and what Chief was doing risked A LOT, only to save himself and Cortana, and possibly captain Keyes (the entire galaxy). Chief had a mission, to kill all the aliens, he must be delusional because he had a reason to kill them. Spark must be wrong about humans and Forerunners... because he hums, and calls himself a genius. He must have made up that one little factoid only and it must be wrong because...

Well who knows why that one thing is wrong amidst everything else he says?

You know, sarcasm generally works best when there is actually some truth to what you're saying. When you're basing your entire argument on the exact wording of a quote that you didn't even get right, you don't have the right to be this sarcastic. You just look like a complete douche.

I know where you are coming from saying that you can't take anything spark says seriously but that is a stretch and my only question is if the humans are not the forerunners then why is the ark on earth and why can humans only activate the ring.

the arc isn't on earth... a portal to the arc is on earth... of which there are supposedly a bunch of

humans are the reclaimers. it is their job to have to make the painful decision that the forerunners had to make 100,000 years ago.... humanity as a whole was likely pretty.... dumb at the time... but the forerunners probably had taken some of every species that they found and tried to teach those select few members and test their cognitive functions.

they were probably testing the species to find which one would not be afraid to activate the Halo Array... but at the same time would only think about activating the array if things got out of hand if the flood returned.


remember... the flood were an extragalactic species... destruction of them in this galaxy did not mean that they wouldn't come back... and the forerunners knew that.... although the re-emergance of the flood is their fault too... for having kept them in stasis on the Halo array



logically, humans can not be forerunner

Ringleader wrote:Oh, Ok, so when Spark ONLY mentions the relationship between Forerunners and Humans, he's a raving lunatic, but any other time then that, your following him around, and doing what he tells you without question...

You may not have noticed this, but Spark is raving mad through the entire game, and you don't really have a choice but do what he says. He constantly endagers your life needlessly, almost seemingly purposely. He constantly raves on about how you, personally, have already done this before, and how you, personally, talked to him before the last firing. The guy is fucking nuts. Period. Everything he says must be taken with a grain of salt.

You mean that one instance when Spark asked Chief if he'd have done it? Yeah, that was one instance.

Ringleader wrote:aaaaand he tells you exactly what to do in order to activate Halo, without saying "Walk of this cliff, Reclaimer."

"Just wait here by this door that conveniently won't open, while I go off and watch some porn. You should be fine, I mean, this place is just completely overrun by the Flood. I could deploy some Sentinels to help, but...that would just ruin the fun, now, wouldn't it?"

What's he going to do? He's just a floating ball, and he did deploy sentinels.

Seriously, his constant presence would not have been useful when fighting the flood. His eye beam was just something they threw in at the end to have a boss battle.

Ringleader wrote:Yeah, Spark made it clear that Forerunners and Humans shared history in the first Halo, back when the average gamer could understand parameters of a video game mystery. Spark said "Oh, I will enjoy every moment of it's categorization!, How I look forward to seeing our lost history!" Or something to that effect, the most important thing is that he says: "Our lost history!" He must be referring to the long lost grunt history.

Our lost time, Ring. There is no indication that this is Forerunner history, just that it is history that he has not been able to keep track of.

Uhm, if you say so, but that's your opinion, but really, what he said could mean multiple things. I think it meant this, you think it meant that. Within the context of the situation, I'm willing to wager he was referring to the lost history between the Forerunner extinction and the humans discovering the Halo ring, because he was digging around in the historical files at the time he said it.

Ringleader wrote:Yeah, I find it odd, that he generally makes sense, and is almost completely fine... UNTIL HE MENTIONS FORERUNNERS AND HUMANS!!!

You should probably go back and play through The Library again.

Uh, I did like 5 days ago, what exactly in the Library doesn't make sense? Every time he left he said he had something to do, some repairs to make or whatever.

Seriously, what in the Library did not make sense?

Spark occasionally hummed to himself, and called himself a genius...

When he occasionally left (because his presence was o-so important when battling the flood), he often times left sentinels and told you he had some repair to make or door to open. I can understand he's a little off his top, but in no way is he a raving lunatic.

Ringleader wrote:He had a purpose, and what Chief was doing risked A LOT, only to save himself and Cortana, and possibly captain Keyes (the entire galaxy). Chief had a mission, to kill all the aliens, he must be delusional because he had a reason to kill them. Spark must be wrong about humans and Forerunners... because he hums, and calls himself a genius. He must have made up that one little factoid only and it must be wrong because...

Well who knows why that one thing is wrong amidst everything else he says?

You know, sarcasm generally works best when there is actually some truth to what you're saying. When you're basing your entire argument on the exact wording of a quote that you didn't even get right, you don't have the right to be this sarcastic. You just look like a complete douche.

There mustn't be truth because you yourself had not suggested it I assume.

TRUTH RL, THE TRUTH!!!

YOU ARE BLIND TO IT BECAUSE YOU DONT F*#$^%ING AGREE WITH ME!!!

The exact wording of a quote? Tell me Rot, why CANT it be the exact wording? I mean, your acting like it CANNOT only because it doesn't support your opinion when what Spark said can be taken multiple ways. For instance, Rasq thinks it meant the time he and other monitors spent on Halo systems. I think it means the lost time between the Foreruner firing off the Halo and the humans landing on the Halo. Why is this such a big deal? Your saying that the words cannot at ALL be interpreted in a certain way, but it must be taken in an entirely speculative direction. You say that the lost time is the time Spark has not been able to keep track of, but I don't see any evidence that Spark has no ability to keep track of time.

Jeez, I'm attacked for completely dismissing entire arguments, but look at you! Have I not addressed every point brought up? Wasn't that a major deal in this thread? I have addressed all points, but because I haven't agreed, with them, then I guess I haven't addressed them.

the arc isn't on earth... a portal to the arc is on earth... of which there are supposedly a bunch of

humans are the reclaimers. it is their job to have to make the painful decision that the forerunners had to make 100,000 years ago.... humanity as a whole was likely pretty.... dumb at the time... but the forerunners probably had taken some of every species that they found and tried to teach those select few members and test their cognitive functions.

they were probably testing the species to find which one would not be afraid to activate the Halo Array... but at the same time would only think about activating the array if things got out of hand if the flood returned.


remember... the flood were an extragalactic species... destruction of them in this galaxy did not mean that they wouldn't come back... and the forerunners knew that.... although the re-emergance of the flood is their fault too... for having kept them in stasis on the Halo array

I'm not sure how this^ leads to this:

logically, humans can not be forerunner

It's already been suggested that Precoursers had advanced a group of humans, and that the advanced humans stumbled upon the old world humans, and chose them over whatever other aliens would need to get the job done because maybe they had more in common with old world humans then the other aliens, and their technology catered to them more so.

Also, if they invested so much in preserving galactic biodiversity, they probably would have preserved them self in some way if not in the same way they preserved the other sentient species. So where are they? Well, if they turned out to be humans or if they had developed from the same family tree, then they would have preserved them self by preserving human beings in a way.

Instead of completely vanishing while they saved thousands of different species from other planets.

Humans are not forerunners. This is clearly logical.

Well I'm glad you elaborated your opinion so thoroughly Ruski. Even going so far as to cite evidence in your support.

I'm being sarcastic because you guys get prissy whenever I say something, I guess my arguments have no support at all (even though they do), and you think I just state things as they are without presenting any evidence. I implore you to actually examine these posts, and consider their length and how often I make absolute judgments like Ruski just did.

Ringleader wrote:Well I'm glad you elaborated your opinion so thoroughly Ruski. Even going so far as to cite evidence in your support.

Shut the sarcasm. It doesn't help anyone.

Anyways, Humans are not Forerunners do to the fact that the Forerunners stumbled upon us and decided we were worth protecting and saving.

"With naval strategies failing, the Forerunners turned to their Halo project; securing other species into the Ark while readying the Halo array for firing. Upon this, two Forerunner units beyond the failing defense line, the Primary Pioneer Group and Advance Survey Team-Alpha, came across Earth at the edge of the Milky Way galaxy. The Librarian journeyed there in its quest for categorization, finding the human species and also creating a Portal on Earth that would lead to the Ark. The Forerunners saw a unique potential in the human species, creating a "Conservation Measure" for the protection of the human species, protecting them with the Ark." via Halopedia, accumulated from Halo 3's Terminals, general knowledge of the Forerunners, etc.

Anyways, Humans are not Forerunners do to the fact that the Forerunners stumbled upon us and decided we were worth protecting and saving.

I've already addressed this, like 14 times now, each time presenting my opinion as a likely possibility, not as an absolute fact.

"With naval strategies failing, the Forerunners turned to their Halo project; securing other species into the Ark while readying the Halo array for firing. Upon this, two Forerunner units beyond the failing defense line, the Primary Pioneer Group and Advance Survey Team-Alpha, came across Earth at the edge of the Milky Way galaxy. The Librarian journeyed there in its quest for categorization, finding the human species and also creating a Portal on Earth that would lead to the Ark. The Forerunners saw a unique potential in the human species, creating a "Conservation Measure" for the protection of the human species, protecting them with the Ark." via Halopedia, accumulated from Halo 3's Terminals, general knowledge of the Forerunners, etc.

Halopedia says they aren't, it also says they are, again illustrating why Halopedia is not a 100% accurate source of information. So they applied this conservation measure to every other sentient species they were able to, except themselves, unless they are humans (or a human derivative) and they did, and much of what GS said can be taken literally, and that the lineage actually has been confirmed when a human accessed a Forerunner terminal. A higher possibility then alternate theories why the terminal said lineage confirmed and what Spark said.

There is reasonable doubt that Humans are Forerunners, thus I am holding with the belief that they are not until substantial and unquestionable evidence is presented for the case that they are.

I can respect your opinion Seath, as I can understand your necessity for unquestionable evidence. Also that you didn't call me a douche or imply that I'm an idiot in the process of presenting it.

The anomalous world is in a perilous location beyond the line.
{//} (THE SECRETS IT HOLDS MUST BE PRESERVED)
{//} (PLANS WITHIN PLANS WITHIN PLANS)
The inhabitants; these unique denizens, must be researched.
They may hold answers to our own mysteries.
{//} (WHAT IRONY THAT WE DISCOVERED THIS TREASURE, ONLY AT THE END OF THINGS.)
{//} (BUT WHAT FORTUNE THAT WE STILL HAD TIME TO SAVE THEM)
The thing we built on that world will vouchsafe their lives,
{//} (BUT PERHAPS ONE DAY IT WILL MAY BE USED FOR ITS INTENDED PURPOSE NOT)
If the plan succeeds, and they are saved, it will be a good world.
If the plan fails,
{//} (AND THE ADVERSARY SUCCEEDS)
it will remain an enigma forever
{//} (WITH NO-ONE LEFT TO RECLAIM IT)

This is an excerpt from the Iris campaign about the forerunner. This is from episode 5.
It is clear that they are talking about earth in the first few lines (they being forerunners). It says they need to 'research' the inhabitants. If they were forerunner, why would they need to research them?