Religion acting like a giant game of telephone?
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Religion acting like a giant game of telephone?
The one thing I don't see in most religious discussions is the issue of time. I'm sure some of you have played the game telephone at one point in life, but I'll explain it for those who don't know. In telephone, you get a group of people and spread them in a staggered line across a field. One person doesn't play and times the game: The goal is to get a message made by the person at the front to the end as quickly as possible, and with the message as intact as possible. For example: The guy at the front thinks up a phrase, say, "I know a guy who got high on Oxi coton (I don't know how to spell that, btw)."
He runs to the next person, tells him the message, and runs back. By the time it gets to the end, the message might be "I know a guy in high school who uses Oxi-Clean." Religion might have a similar form of transportation. I remember hearing a story about Jesus getting a message about a sick man in a nearby town. By the time he got there, 3 days later, the man was dead. However, Jesus brought him back to life. Or so the story seems. I think the '3 days' part may be a bit exaggerated. i.e., it wasn't 3 days, more like a few hours. If I remember correctly, the man died just a few moments before Jesus got there. CPR? If he got there quickly, maybe it wasn't 'magic'. Eh?
That last part may or may not be right, but the point I'm trying to get across is that the story probably changed significantly over time.
Also, if this turns into a debate (it probably will) or belongs in the debate section, I request a mod to move it there.
He runs to the next person, tells him the message, and runs back. By the time it gets to the end, the message might be "I know a guy in high school who uses Oxi-Clean." Religion might have a similar form of transportation. I remember hearing a story about Jesus getting a message about a sick man in a nearby town. By the time he got there, 3 days later, the man was dead. However, Jesus brought him back to life. Or so the story seems. I think the '3 days' part may be a bit exaggerated. i.e., it wasn't 3 days, more like a few hours. If I remember correctly, the man died just a few moments before Jesus got there. CPR? If he got there quickly, maybe it wasn't 'magic'. Eh?
That last part may or may not be right, but the point I'm trying to get across is that the story probably changed significantly over time.
Also, if this turns into a debate (it probably will) or belongs in the debate section, I request a mod to move it there.

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Re: Religion acting like a giant game of telephone?
Research what you're talking about first. The four books of the Gospel were written from first person accounts.
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Re: Religion acting like a giant game of telephone?
...and then translated multiple times to different languages and different dialects by different people, William Shakespeare even.
I remember something about WS putting his name into Psalms or something, like "Will shakes his spear," or something like that, not sure if it's true though because I haven't read it.
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here's a link:
http://www.umsl.edu/~thomaskp/sbible.htm
I remember something about WS putting his name into Psalms or something, like "Will shakes his spear," or something like that, not sure if it's true though because I haven't read it.
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here's a link:
http://www.umsl.edu/~thomaskp/sbible.htm

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Re: Religion acting like a giant game of telephone?
There are many different translations, some more accurate than others. The majority of which are translated directly from the original language.

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They were translated, yes, but I'm sure the Latin versions are still available.
But yah, time has caused a lot of... issues with religion, which is why the church and I don't always agree on things. No matter how bruised the outside of the apple gets, the core remains pretty much the same.
But yah, time has caused a lot of... issues with religion, which is why the church and I don't always agree on things. No matter how bruised the outside of the apple gets, the core remains pretty much the same.
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Re: Religion acting like a giant game of telephone?
Dud Doodoo wrote:Research what you're talking about first. The four books of the Gospel were written from first person accounts.
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And several of those accounts were written 200-300 years after Jesus' death

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Re: Religion acting like a giant game of telephone?
Vigil wrote:Dud Doodoo wrote:Research what you're talking about first. The four books of the Gospel were written from first person accounts.
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And several of those accounts were written 200-300 years after Jesus' death
^^This, and a similar thing happened with the Buddha.
The Buddhist religious scriptures or records or whatever they're called were written by his followers something like 100-400 years after he died.
Not exactly sure about Islam, but the actual split happened when Muhammad died, and the schism there is whether his followers or ancestors should be the leaders of Islam.
Not exactly sure about Judaism, but then again I don't know when the Torah was written, and it's not as centrally based on one person as the above three examples are.
Also, should this be in the debate section?

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Re: Religion acting like a giant game of telephone?
i though the Jewish holy book was the first five books of the Bible? be odd if i missed something like this ive been it church school for *Checks year* officially... 12 years, 14 if i count daycare... along the lines of modern teen slang... forever
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Re: Religion acting like a giant game of telephone?
Jewdiasm, Christianity, and Islam are all based off of the first few books of the bible
its the later details where they start hating / murdering each other about differences
its the later details where they start hating / murdering each other about differences
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Re: Religion acting like a giant game of telephone?
yeah, thats the WTF? part, i blame the spanish
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Re: Religion acting like a giant game of telephone?
A lot of the old testament is based on earlier Babylonian writings and legends like Noah's flood.

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Re: Religion acting like a giant game of telephone?
Vigil wrote:Dud Doodoo wrote:Research what you're talking about first. The four books of the Gospel were written from first person accounts.
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And several of those accounts were written 200-300 years after Jesus' death
So people were living past 300 back then?

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Re: Religion acting like a giant game of telephone?
TNine wrote:Vigil wrote:Dud Doodoo wrote:Research what you're talking about first. The four books of the Gospel were written from first person accounts.
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And several of those accounts were written 200-300 years after Jesus' death
So people were living past 300 back then?
no word of mouth, like the way Homer did his storys, thats why it can be called inaccuret
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Re: Religion acting like a giant game of telephone?
TNine wrote:Vigil wrote:Dud Doodoo wrote:Research what you're talking about first. The four books of the Gospel were written from first person accounts.
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And several of those accounts were written 200-300 years after Jesus' death
So people were living past 300 back then?
Jeezz, and you guys get on my case for 'misunderstanding' things...
Unless your being sarcastic? What Vigil said clearly was not intended as support for what Dud said.

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well... yea, you misunderstood that ringleader... T-nine was adding to Vigil's point by pointing out that people don't live 300 years
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