Libyan Suicide Bomber!! Hero?
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Libyan Suicide Bomber!! Hero?
http://http://blogs.howstuffworks.com/2011/03/25/cnn-oddly-celebrates-hero-libyan-suicide-bomber/
Apparently when suicide bombers attack our enemies they're heroes, but they attack us and must be completely evil.
I also like how they call it the 'War for Libya" instead of the 'War on Libya"
Apparently when suicide bombers attack our enemies they're heroes, but they attack us and must be completely evil.
I also like how they call it the 'War for Libya" instead of the 'War on Libya"

KristallNacht- Unholy Demon Of The Flame
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You expect the media to be balanced and rational?
Of course they flip on a dime, and they'll constantly contradict themselves just to get a story.
Suicide bombers are a lot like the kamakzi pilots of World War 2. Willing to sacrfice themselves due to their beliefs that they are doing to honourable thing in as desperate attempt to intimidate and weaken their enemy.
Al Quededa use it to spread terror, and to attack key symbols of western interest. The Libyans are using it mainly out of desperation, as they are a rag tag group of partially trained servicemen and normal people formed into a pseudo milita against a group of specialist forces with artillery and superior training.
The situations are somewhat similar, but the motive behind them is different.
Of course they flip on a dime, and they'll constantly contradict themselves just to get a story.
Suicide bombers are a lot like the kamakzi pilots of World War 2. Willing to sacrfice themselves due to their beliefs that they are doing to honourable thing in as desperate attempt to intimidate and weaken their enemy.
Al Quededa use it to spread terror, and to attack key symbols of western interest. The Libyans are using it mainly out of desperation, as they are a rag tag group of partially trained servicemen and normal people formed into a pseudo milita against a group of specialist forces with artillery and superior training.
The situations are somewhat similar, but the motive behind them is different.

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Vigil wrote:The Libyans are using it mainly out of desperation, as they are a rag tag group of partially trained servicemen and normal people formed into a pseudo milita against a group of specialist forces with artillery and superior training.
replace 'Libyans' with 'Taliban' or 'Insurgents'.

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KristallNacht wrote:Vigil wrote:The Libyans are using it mainly out of desperation, as they are a rag tag group of partially trained servicemen and normal people formed into a pseudo milita against a group of specialist forces with artillery and superior training.
replace 'Libyans' with 'Taliban' or 'Insurgents'.
Nice to know you have a balanced a well thought out opinion on the libyian rebels.
I do agree they are like the Taliban: Circa 1979-1989. As they were under attack from a larger and ethically questionable force, and they were supported by the west. Nowdays there just fighting the US due to the influence of their leaders.
Now given the fact that the Libyian rebels, oh I don't know...ASKED THE WESTERN WORLD FOR HELP, I don't think there going to do a 180 and attack the very people who just pulled their asses out of the fire. (Especially given the fact we realise that invading the country for regime change is a very bad idea given Iraq and afganistan.)
And of course they're insurgents. What kinda of statement is that? Do you even know what that word means?
insurgent - guerrilla: a member of an irregular armed force that fights a stronger force by sabotage and harassment
insurgent - in opposition to a civil authority or government
The difference is, the world recognises that the regime/government is in wrong and are supporting the insurgency, whereas, the Talibian are trying to regain their lost territory to begin a regime change back to when they were in control, which wasn't that much better than Gaddafi's regime, which is why there being damned by the international community.

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The link isn't working for me, and I am too lazy right now to look it up.
Was the suicide bomber wearing a uniform of some kind, marking him as a rebel soldier?
Was the target of the bombing primarily military?
If a US soldier blows himself up as his position is being overrun by Germans to give his comrades time to escape, is he a terrorist, in your opinion, NT?
I ask because I don't know the situation. I really hope the answers are no. I'd hate to have to defend CNN...
Was the suicide bomber wearing a uniform of some kind, marking him as a rebel soldier?
Was the target of the bombing primarily military?
If a US soldier blows himself up as his position is being overrun by Germans to give his comrades time to escape, is he a terrorist, in your opinion, NT?
I ask because I don't know the situation. I really hope the answers are no. I'd hate to have to defend CNN...
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He had no uniform.
he packed explosives into his car, prayed and drove it into a military barracks.
he packed explosives into his car, prayed and drove it into a military barracks.

KristallNacht- Unholy Demon Of The Flame
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If its any consolation, it was a military target in the middle of a war.
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Actually, if you think about it, it isn't terrorism?!?! Terrorism is psychological warfare. This is just...warfare. Still a weird flip flop, though.
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Actually, if you think about it, it isn't terrorism?!?! Terrorism is psychological warfare. This is just...warfare. Still a weird flip flop, though.

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but the muj and taliban in iraq and afghanistan aren't using psi-ops either. they're just waging war.
we demonize our enemies for using such underhanded tactics at the same time as we support our allies using the same tactics, but treat them as heroes.
we demonize our enemies for using such underhanded tactics at the same time as we support our allies using the same tactics, but treat them as heroes.

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From what I understand, this guy gave his life to open a barracks up to attack, and terrorists in Irag and Afgahnistan give their lives to blow up civillians. That's a big difference.
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I don't see the problem. They're trying to stop an egotistical maniac from committing genocide amongst their people. and only military targets were hit, taliban and other organizations attacked civilians.

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KristallNacht wrote:but the muj and taliban in iraq and afghanistan aren't using psi-ops either. they're just waging war.
we demonize our enemies for using such underhanded tactics at the same time as we support our allies using the same tactics, but treat them as heroes.
Might not want to use the nickname "Muj" or its variants....defeats your point.

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muj is actually just a shortening.
and they don't attack civilians anyway. They attack military forces.
when was the last time you heard of an IED or any similar thing killing civilians in iraq or afghanistan?
and they don't attack civilians anyway. They attack military forces.
when was the last time you heard of an IED or any similar thing killing civilians in iraq or afghanistan?

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21,000 dead civillians.
How many US soldiers have died? Four or five thousand?
How many US soldiers have died? Four or five thousand?
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I would think that number is inflated for PR purposes.
and just because they ARE getting killed by them, doesn't mean they are the target.
and just because they ARE getting killed by them, doesn't mean they are the target.

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KristallNacht wrote:I would think that number is inflated for PR purposes.
and just because they ARE getting killed by them, doesn't mean they are the target.
But civilians are getting hit hard. Also, the Taliban will go after other non-military figures, like buildings, embassies, monuments, etc.

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