The Role of the US in Foreign Countries

Hypothetically, though. Perhaps in a situation like our own Civil War.

tiny tim wrote:

So if the rebels actually declare their independence and for ma government(Which I have heard they are attempting to do) id it still a civil war? Should we stay uninvolved then?

they formed within a governed nation. Technically they can't have a proper government because they have no sovereign land.

How would this new 'government' exactly establish who is governed by them and who isn't?

I believe that would be up to the new government. How did we decide that we were no longer a part of Britain? Which, by the way, would not have been possible without international help.

KristallNacht wrote:

tiny tim wrote:

So if the rebels actually declare their independence and for ma government(Which I have heard they are attempting to do) id it still a civil war? Should we stay uninvolved then?

they formed within a governed nation. Technically they can't have a proper government because they have no sovereign land.

How would this new 'government' exactly establish who is governed by them and who isn't?

Let me spout some specific examples.

Northern/Repbulic of Ireland.=Republic receeded from UK rule and formed their own state and government, completely independent of our juristiction.

Pakistan/India.= Again they broke in two and are now two seperate entities.

Crypus.= Island is in two pieces one belong to Grecce, the other to Turkey.

North/South Korea.

I'd like to point out, all these countries did break up after a conflict and a ceeded government forming against the state government of the land and declaring indepence, which has been said the US did in the war of indepence.

Ironically for me, It's amusing to note that the UK was involved in virtually all these fracturing of countries into two seperate states. We have a knack it seems to break countries into two if the people inside them are fighting.

I believe it's called divide and abandon, Vigil. ;)

If the US would stop rubbing its nose in everyones shit, then we would be fine. But no...

Nocbl2 wrote:If the US would stop rubbing its nose in everyones shit, then we would be fine. But no...

If everyone would stop rubbing their nose in other peoples shit, we would all be fine. Altruism and such is written in human instinct unfortunately.

The Pariah wrote:

Nocbl2 wrote:If the US would stop rubbing its nose in everyones shit, then we would be fine. But no...

If everyone would stop rubbing their nose in other peoples shit, we would all be fine. Altruism and such is written in human instinct unfortunately.

Meh. Asking for and giving help is human instinct, it is what makes society run. In many parts of the world where we are in, we need to stay for one reason or another. How much help is too much? When do we show too much favoritism? That's more of the problem.

TNine wrote:

The Pariah wrote:

Nocbl2 wrote:If the US would stop rubbing its nose in everyones shit, then we would be fine. But no...

If everyone would stop rubbing their nose in other peoples shit, we would all be fine. Altruism and such is written in human instinct unfortunately.

Meh. Asking for and giving help is human instinct, it is what makes society run. In many parts of the world where we are in, we need to stay for one reason or another. How much help is too much? When do we show too much favoritism? That's more of the problem.

Fair point but what of the capitalism in all this? such as the oil profit from the iraq war?

The Pariah wrote:

TNine wrote:

The Pariah wrote:

Nocbl2 wrote:If the US would stop rubbing its nose in everyones shit, then we would be fine. But no...

If everyone would stop rubbing their nose in other peoples shit, we would all be fine. Altruism and such is written in human instinct unfortunately.

Meh. Asking for and giving help is human instinct, it is what makes society run. In many parts of the world where we are in, we need to stay for one reason or another. How much help is too much? When do we show too much favoritism? That's more of the problem.

Fair point but what of the capitalism in all this? such as the oil profit from the iraq war?

What about it?

Nocbl2 wrote:If the US would stop rubbing its nose in everyones shit, then we would be fine. But no...

I guess letting people commit genocide is okay because people decided to be selfish and lazy and not do anything to stop it?

TNine wrote:

The Pariah wrote:

TNine wrote:

The Pariah wrote:

Nocbl2 wrote:If the US would stop rubbing its nose in everyones shit, then we would be fine. But no...

If everyone would stop rubbing their nose in other peoples shit, we would all be fine. Altruism and such is written in human instinct unfortunately.

Meh. Asking for and giving help is human instinct, it is what makes society run. In many parts of the world where we are in, we need to stay for one reason or another. How much help is too much? When do we show too much favoritism? That's more of the problem.

Fair point but what of the capitalism in all this? such as the oil profit from the iraq war?

What about it?

I was asking if you reckon america isnt the self righteous do-gooder it claims to be.

The Pariah wrote:

TNine wrote:

The Pariah wrote:

TNine wrote:

The Pariah wrote:

Nocbl2 wrote:If the US would stop rubbing its nose in everyones shit, then we would be fine. But no...

If everyone would stop rubbing their nose in other peoples shit, we would all be fine. Altruism and such is written in human instinct unfortunately.

Meh. Asking for and giving help is human instinct, it is what makes society run. In many parts of the world where we are in, we need to stay for one reason or another. How much help is too much? When do we show too much favoritism? That's more of the problem.

Fair point but what of the capitalism in all this? such as the oil profit from the iraq war?

What about it?

I was asking if you reckon america isnt the self righteous do-gooder it claims to be.

No. I think that America does a lot of work for the common good, or to remove dictators from power, but only when it benefits us. We look good when we remove the dictator of Egypt, forgetting we put him there in the first place, and kept him in power. We allow Saudi Arabia to be oppressive because they are our allies. And that last one i agree on, if we ditched our allies in the Mideast it would be even more unstable. As a nation, we need to make sure we don't step on too many people's toes as to do the right thing.

It's not a simple answer, and it is one of the few times where doing the right thing can be very damaging for everyone.