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Post by MrX on Thu Apr 21, 2011 12:43 pm

http://www.channel4.com/news/why-does-a-secret-iphone-file-track-your-movements

Nuff said.
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Post by KrAzY on Thu Apr 21, 2011 3:23 pm

almost all phones on the market do this, one reason is so that phone companies know where their phones are being used so they can provide service optimally, and two so that if you call 911 the cops will be able to find you if you dont know where you are

you cant connect to a phone line or to the internet without your location being logged somewhere... if you dont want people to know where you are, turn off your phone Razz
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Post by tiny tim on Thu Apr 21, 2011 5:30 pm

Sometimes you have to take the battery out as well.

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Post by Elabajaba on Thu Apr 21, 2011 6:07 pm

http://www.humblebundle.com/

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Post by Lord Pheonix on Thu Apr 21, 2011 6:10 pm

trust me, they can do crazy shit to your phone.

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Post by CivBase on Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:47 pm

This was a secret? I've known about this for a long time now... and I don't even own an iPhone! How the frick do people think the GPS on that thing works, anyway?

The girl who was talking about how "scandalous" it is was, imo, a retard. It's not scandalous at all. In fact, I'm sure Apple has it listed somewhere buried in their Terms of Service.

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Post by MrX on Fri Apr 22, 2011 5:48 am

Had no idea the bundle was back on...

And yes most phones can track where you are but they should not be recording the information.
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Post by Vigil on Sun Apr 24, 2011 11:45 am

All electronic equipment does. Hell the things we're typing on right now are well known to do it. As phones became more advanced it was a logic step to increase what they monitor on them.

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Post by KristallNacht on Sun Apr 24, 2011 3:12 pm

the iphone stores that info though, which is something no other mobile device does.

and as far as everything tracking your location, the internet simply logs IPs, which give a loose area unless combined with court order to your ISP.
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Post by CivBase on Sun Apr 24, 2011 9:39 pm

The Pariah wrote:Had no idea the bundle was back on...

And yes most phones can track where you are but they should not be recording the information.
Absolutely everything you do is logged on all computers, not just the iPhone. The iPhone is certainly not the first; it was just the first with enough "apps" for the feature to become well known. Whether or not it is reported to Apple was not expressed in that article. Even if Apple did receive the information, though, it would almost definitely be covered in the Terms of Service. If it's not illegal, Apple is free to track whatever the hell they want. Why should people care, though?

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Post by KristallNacht on Sun Apr 24, 2011 9:53 pm

it is actually illegal though (if not in the terms of service, of which none are signed for use of the phone) as a breach of personal security (assuming its leaked to apple) and there is zero reason for the iphone to keep track of that information as it stands. There are apps that specifically do that, but those have to be specifically downloaded and opted into.
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Post by Nocbl2 on Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:40 pm

It's in the Apple terms o' service, and honestly, without it you would not be able to call 911 with much success.
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Post by KristallNacht on Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:34 am

Apple actually can't make a terms of service for use of their device. As the Iphone provides no service. the carrier does.

and passive tracking isn't the issue here nocbl, its the fact the information is stored.
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Post by Nocbl2 on Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:08 am

No shit the information is stored.

Let's say the cops are trying to catch a criminal, who is using an Iphone to call his buddy. The cops can see where he's been to see if they have the right guy, and also to chase him and catch him.
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Post by Vigil on Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:20 am

Why do you think phone companies for years have been keeping records of all the calls made on their devices? It's great in the situation Noc described and makes sure they aren't being used in any illegal activity.

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Post by CivBase on Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:44 pm

KristallNacht wrote:Apple actually can't make a terms of service for use of their device. As the Iphone provides no service. the carrier does.

and passive tracking isn't the issue here nocbl, its the fact the information is stored.
To my knowledge, GPS service (and, in turn, tracking) doesn't work without accepting at least one terms of service.

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Post by tiny tim on Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:59 pm

It's probably in the manual that no one reads.

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Post by CivBase on Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:24 pm

Still, it's not unique... it's not new... and it's hardly 'wrong'

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Post by KristallNacht on Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:22 am

its a start civ.

just like ending net neutrality. just because its not 'wrong' now, doesn't mean it won't become 'wrong' soon if they get away with it.
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