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Re: Twenty long years.

Post by TNine on Mon May 02, 2011 12:48 pm

'Tis great news indeed. Hopefully, Al Queda will be greatly weakened with their leader removed.
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Re: Twenty long years.

Post by dragoon9105 on Mon May 02, 2011 1:09 pm

Do you really thing Bin landen was calling the shots at his age, He was a public face, He definatly has a second in command floating around somewhere still calling shots
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Re: Twenty long years.

Post by Vigil on Mon May 02, 2011 2:06 pm

dragoon9105 wrote:Do you really thing Bin landen was calling the shots at his age, He was a public face, He definatly has a second in command floating around somewhere still calling shots
Like I said before, he hasn't been actively running things in a long time, and was only in the background in more recent plots.

His second in command and mentor has been running things.

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Re: Twenty long years.

Post by laxspartan007 on Mon May 02, 2011 2:42 pm

"black hawk down"

all ima say...
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Re: Twenty long years.

Post by Ruski on Mon May 02, 2011 2:56 pm

Vigil wrote:
dragoon9105 wrote:Do you really thing Bin landen was calling the shots at his age, He was a public face, He definatly has a second in command floating around somewhere still calling shots
Like I said before, he hasn't been actively running things in a long time, and was only in the background in more recent plots.

His second in command and mentor has been running things.

A former intelligence officer said that he was still an active organizer, so if thats true, they lost a great asset for operations and supporters.
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Re: Twenty long years.

Post by KristallNacht on Mon May 02, 2011 2:57 pm

Rasq'uire'laskar wrote:

In addition, a fake photo of a dead Osama Bin Ladin is floating around the internet. Got to give 'em credit; whoever made it is frickin' fast.

um, the photo you're talking about was made back in 2005.
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Re: Twenty long years.

Post by KristallNacht on Mon May 02, 2011 3:00 pm

Ringleader wrote:
I thought they buried him at sea though because it's Islamic tradition to bury a dead body within one day.

its also very convenient to be able to say "we don't have the remains and we have no idea where they are"
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Re: Twenty long years.

Post by Ruski on Mon May 02, 2011 3:23 pm

The moon landings were faked.
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Re: Twenty long years.

Post by Vtrooper on Mon May 02, 2011 3:51 pm

only took 10 years...

hell we should of had him at Tora Bora...

but yeah, US/NATO/Pakistani Victory!
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Re: Twenty long years.

Post by Ringleader on Mon May 02, 2011 6:12 pm

Well, like what was said, it may have become a pilgrimage site, and I'm not sure which country would want to claim the burial rights to the most wanted terrorist in the world.
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Re: Twenty long years.

Post by TNine on Mon May 02, 2011 6:21 pm

Ringleader wrote:Well, like what was said, it may have become a pilgrimage site, and I'm not sure which country would want to claim the burial rights to the most wanted terrorist in the world.
Palestine? Hamas calls it an "assassination".
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Re: Twenty long years.

Post by dragoon9105 on Mon May 02, 2011 6:32 pm

Try Saudi Arabia his home country
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Re: Twenty long years.

Post by Rasq'uire'laskar on Mon May 02, 2011 8:22 pm

dragoon9105 wrote:Try Saudi Arabia his home country
Nah. They actually kicked him out.

KristallNacht wrote:
Ringleader wrote:
I thought they buried him at sea though because it's Islamic tradition to bury a dead body within one day.

its also very convenient to be able to say "we don't have the remains and we have no idea where they are"
From the New Webster's Dictionary:
Ninja Theory: noun any hypothesis which lets the poster maintain a stubbornly contrariwise position, popular amongst conspiracy theorists and trolls. Existence of supporting evidence/logic is possible, but almost certainly improbable.
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Re: Twenty long years.

Post by Felix on Mon May 02, 2011 8:31 pm

Vtrooper wrote:only took 10 years...

hell we should of had him at Tora Bora...

but yeah, US/NATO/Pakistani Victory!

10 years and a stroke of luck.
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Re: Twenty long years.

Post by BBJynne on Mon May 02, 2011 8:37 pm

Assholes throw bodies overboard without taking pictures first.

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Re: Twenty long years.

Post by KristallNacht on Tue May 03, 2011 1:48 am

Rasq'uire'laskar wrote:
From the New Webster's Dictionary:
Ninja Theory: noun any hypothesis which lets the poster maintain a stubbornly contrariwise position, popular amongst conspiracy theorists and trolls. Existence of supporting evidence/logic is possible, but almost certainly improbable.

all i'm asking for is a reasonable picture. no evidence is suspicious. It's extremely likely he's been dead, but saying "we confirmed Osama's death. He died 3 years ago" doesn't get the countries support for this 'war on terror' like "yeah, we stormed in there and killed the fuck out of him!"

all of it is a little bit too conveniant. but of course no news care about the whole 'all we have is anecdotal evidence' thing.
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Re: Twenty long years.

Post by Rotaretilbo on Tue May 03, 2011 2:06 pm

There are two things I don't get.

A) Pretty much the entire intelligence community of the US and most of the nations in the immediate area around Afghanistan, including Pakistan, had concluded that his kidneys were failing, and that he would be dead soon unless he got a sterile environment with constant electricity and a team of specialists, not something easy to procure on the down low. It was the general consensus that he had died of kidney failure. That was like nine years ago.

B) We weren't even actively looking for him anymore. The CIA closed down Alec Station back in 2005. It just seems odd that we stop looking for him, many believing he had probably died, and then we just so happen to trip over him and kill him just as election year is coming up.

It just really comes across to me as a publicity stunt, more than anything else. I don't doubt that Osama bin Laden is dead, but I have my doubts that a SEAL team busted down the door and shot him in the face. More likely, we busted down the door, shot some high up al Qaeda fucker in the face, and then decided that it would be better to announce this victory using a name that the public would immediately recognize. I mean, if Obama got on live TV and announced that we'd killed Adnan Gulshair el Shukrijumah, people would say "Who the fuck is that and why the fuck do we care? Why are you interrupting the weather channel to tell me about this fuck?"

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Re: Twenty long years.

Post by Ruski on Tue May 03, 2011 2:34 pm

Rotaretilbo wrote:There are two things I don't get.

A) Pretty much the entire intelligence community of the US and most of the nations in the immediate area around Afghanistan, including Pakistan, had concluded that his kidneys were failing, and that he would be dead soon unless he got a sterile environment with constant electricity and a team of specialists, not something easy to procure on the down low. It was the general consensus that he had died of kidney failure. That was like nine years ago.

It has actually been recently reported by Time Health that he had Kidney Stones, not Kidney failure as previously believed, which are easily treatable without machinery. He also had low blood pressure and an enlarged heart.

B) We weren't even actively looking for him anymore. The CIA closed down Alec Station back in 2005. It just seems odd that we stop looking for him, many believing he had probably died, and then we just so happen to trip over him and kill him just as election year is coming up.

Actually, we have semi-actively pursuing him since that closing, and up to the Obama Administration. We tracked him down to Tora Bora in 2007, two years after that specialized unit in the CIA was reportedly closing down. Not to mention General McCrystal recommended that Osama Bin Laden needed to be located and killed back in 2009. It is entirely possible for him to have reactivated a specialized unit in locating him, or even for a large scale effort by the CIA. It has been reported that the CIA had planned the operation.

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Re: Twenty long years.

Post by Rotaretilbo on Tue May 03, 2011 2:51 pm

Ruski wrote:It has actually been recently reported by Time Health that he had Kidney Stones, not Kidney failure as previously believed, which are easily treatable without machinery. He also had low blood pressure and an enlarged heart.

Kidney stones don't cause one to look deathly ill like he did in the December 27 video, nor be unable to move one's arm. Nor do people with kidney stones need dialysis machines.

Ruski wrote:Actually, we have semi-actively pursuing him since that closing, and up to the Obama Administration. We tracked him down to Tora Bora in 2007, two years after that specialized unit in the CIA was reportedly closing down.

We raided Tora Bora in 2007 because we knew that important al Qaeda leaders would be there. We did not track bin Laden to there, and when we did raid the caves, we did not find bin Laden.

Ruski wrote:Not to mention General McCrystal recommended that Osama Bin Laden needed to be located and killed back in 2009. It is entirely possible for him to have reactivated a specialized unit in locating him

Last I checked, General McChrystal is not and never was in charge of the CIA or any other intelligence gathering agency. He may have run some special forces units in his time, but that hardly qualifies him as an expert on whether or not bin Laden was still alive. Yet, back in 2002, FBI Counterterrorism Chief Dale Watson expressed his belief that bin Laden was probably dead.

Ruski wrote:or even for a large scale effort by the CIA. It has been reported that the CIA had planned the operation.

It was also reported that a predator drone was used in the operation. ;)

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Re: Twenty long years.

Post by Vtrooper on Tue May 03, 2011 2:52 pm

BBJynne wrote:Assholes throw bodies overboard without taking pictures first.

it is confirmed he was shot in the head, there by the FCC would give anyone who shows the picture on TV epic shit
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Re: Twenty long years.

Post by Rotaretilbo on Tue May 03, 2011 2:57 pm

Which is what the Internet is for.

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Re: Twenty long years.

Post by Lord Pheonix on Tue May 03, 2011 2:57 pm

Even if we shut down a group that was dedicated to solely looking for him there is no way in Hell we would cease all efforts in finding him. Not even a chance.

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Re: Twenty long years.

Post by Rotaretilbo on Tue May 03, 2011 3:00 pm

Unless he was already dead, something that many people in the intelligence community expressed to be their belief. I doubt we completely stopped looking for him, but it would be a passive sort of thing that would only work if he made a gigantic mistake, which I doubt he would do, were he still alive. There are hundreds upon hundreds of caves in the Afghan-Pakistan region, and he chooses to live in a million dollar, three-story, armed compound in Pakistan?

Here's a question? How did we miss this giant compound for at least six years?

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Re: Twenty long years.

Post by KristallNacht on Tue May 03, 2011 3:06 pm

Vtrooper wrote:
BBJynne wrote:Assholes throw bodies overboard without taking pictures first.

it is confirmed he was shot in the head, there by the FCC would give anyone who shows the picture on TV epic shit

wrong. the news blatantly flaunted the photoshopped headshot of osama like it was real back in 2005.
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Re: Twenty long years.

Post by KristallNacht on Tue May 03, 2011 3:08 pm

Rotaretilbo wrote:Unless he was already dead, something that many people in the intelligence community expressed to be their belief. I doubt we completely stopped looking for him, but it would be a passive sort of thing that would only work if he made a gigantic mistake, which I doubt he would do, were he still alive. There are hundreds upon hundreds of caves in the Afghan-Pakistan region, and he chooses to live in a million dollar, three-story, armed compound in Pakistan?

Here's a question? How did we miss this giant compound for at least six years?

it was in pakistan. Last I checked, US Forces are still not allowed to conduct military operations in Pakistan, to even include this raid, as is why the pakistani government wasn't even given the slightest heads up. (Yes there is evidence an operation happened in pakistan, but still nothing other than anecdotal evidence of osama being there)
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