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Re: Is porn a legitimate business to go in to?

Post by Felix on Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:48 am

CivBase wrote:
From a (Lord Pheonix) moral outlook, it is wrong. "Legal" is not always synonymous with "moral". Yes, people succumb sin all the time, but that does not justify consciously and willingly participating in ongoing sin.

I don't know, LP seems completely fine with the idea.

And when was the last time LP was moral.
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Re: Is porn a legitimate business to go in to?

Post by Lord Pheonix on Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:23 am

It's been a few decades.....



When did I kill Hitler?

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Re: Is porn a legitimate business to go in to?

Post by Rotaretilbo on Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:16 pm

Felix, you totally overlooked the whole point of my post. You don't need a body, or any skill, as long as you are willing to do anything for money. Rule 34.

Moreover, I'd just like to point out that while the porn industry grosses a gigantic amount, being a "porn star" is likely not a very high paying job. I imagine that the handful of people running the websites and such are the people actually collecting all the dough.

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Re: Is porn a legitimate business to go in to?

Post by KristallNacht on Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:01 pm

But who can put a price on stardom? or a price on the fans?
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Re: Is porn a legitimate business to go in to?

Post by Lord Pheonix on Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:09 pm

Whoever those people are that put down a price on peoples worth.



They do a rather good job of it.

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Re: Is porn a legitimate business to go in to?

Post by Angatar on Mon Sep 19, 2011 6:02 pm

For females, it's typically a dead-end job, so it's not something they should focus on, but if they want money it's a good way to get it.

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Re: Is porn a legitimate business to go in to?

Post by Felix on Mon Sep 19, 2011 6:12 pm

Rotaretilbo wrote:Felix, you totally overlooked the whole point of my post. You don't need a body, or any skill, as long as you are willing to do anything for money. Rule 34.
But it's not about the money. Of course you'll some try to "cash in" who'll do most anything if it means getting paid. But most others do it because they want to do it, regardless of how much it is.

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Moreover, I'd just like to point out that while the porn industry grosses a gigantic amount, being a "porn star" is likely not a very high paying job. I imagine that the handful of people running the websites and such are the people actually collecting all the dough.
It depends really on the what you do, and who you work for. Not always a giant wad of cash, but decent enough to get by.

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Re: Is porn a legitimate business to go in to?

Post by Rotaretilbo on Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:03 pm

Felix wrote:But it's not about the money. Of course you'll some try to "cash in" who'll do most anything if it means getting paid. But most others do it because they want to do it, regardless of how much it is.

There are many many more legitimate ways to express sexuality without being in porn. Porn is not about expressing anything, it is about making the viewer pleased. Indy films would probably be a much better way to express sexuality without being a virtual prostitute that has sex for money, just on camera.

Rotaretilbo wrote:It depends really on the what you do, and who you work for. Not always a giant wad of cash, but decent enough to get by.

Usually not, though. Only a small percentage of pornstars actually make even a respectable wage, let alone enough to really get by. As before, intending to enter the porn industry as a career path from the start is the equivalent of intending to work at McDonalds at the lowest tier your entire life.

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Re: Is porn a legitimate business to go in to?

Post by Felix on Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:47 pm

Rotaretilbo wrote:
There are many many more legitimate ways to express sexuality without being in porn. Porn is not about expressing anything, it is about making the viewer pleased. Indy films would probably be a much better way to express sexuality without being a virtual prostitute that has sex for money, just on camera.
Not true, many find it very enjoyable and expressible. I would take a look at a "Diary of a Porn Virgin". Very insightful.

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Usually not, though. Only a small percentage of pornstars actually make even a respectable wage, let alone enough to really get by. As before, intending to enter the porn industry as a career path from the start is the equivalent of intending to work at McDonalds at the lowest tier your entire life.
Again, it depends on the work, how much they, who they work for, etc.

And going into the Porn industry for a career is like anything else. If you go into it with the right mindset, and determination, you'll get on top.

Take that anyway you wish ;)
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Re: Is porn a legitimate business to go in to?

Post by KristallNacht on Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:49 pm

Rot, you compare being a porn star to being a prostitute, as if prostitution is an illegitimate business.
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Re: Is porn a legitimate business to go in to?

Post by Rotaretilbo on Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:15 pm

We're not talking about business, we're talking about career path. The legitimacy of intending to go into a particular business. Anyone who's goal is to become a prostitute is an idiot.

Also, prostitution is illegal everywhere in the US other than Nevada. I think that may qualify it as an illegitimate business.

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Re: Is porn a legitimate business to go in to?

Post by Felix on Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:20 pm

Rotaretilbo wrote:We're not talking about business, we're talking about career path. The legitimacy of intending to go into a particular business. Anyone who's goal is to become a prostitute is an idiot.

Rotaretilbo wrote:
Also, prostitution is illegal everywhere in the US other than Nevada. I think that may qualify it as an illegitimate business.
And it is legal in places outside of the US.
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Re: Is porn a legitimate business to go in to?

Post by Rotaretilbo on Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:50 pm

So are drugs, piracy, and a whole host of other things. I hope that's not your fallback point. Besides, that doesn't matter, because we again return to the initial question.

Is porn a legitimate career to intentionally go into or otherwise aspire to. The answer is no. Being a porn star requires no skills or abilities other than a willingness to do it, and you're going to be making jack shit unless you happen to be the absolute top (which you won't be). You'd probably be better off aspiring to be a fry cook or a cashier.

In the end, you'll probably make a few hundred dollars on a one time deal, and will lose the respect of most anyone who finds out about it. You may talk all frilly about it, but honestly, you all know that the general populace in every day life does not respect porn as a career or even as an acceptable recreation. Unless all of your parents and friends are as "free-minded" as you, you'll have to keep it a secret and hope that they never find out.

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Re: Is porn a legitimate business to go in to?

Post by KristallNacht on Tue Sep 20, 2011 2:38 am

just because somethings illegal, doesn't mean its bad.

And being a porn STAR requires the one thing being good at any job does: ENTHUSIASM.
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Re: Is porn a legitimate business to go in to?

Post by CivBase on Tue Sep 20, 2011 8:19 am

Felix wrote:And going into the Porn industry for a career is like anything else. If you go into it with the right mindset, and determination, you'll get on top.
The question isn't about getting to the top, it's about what the top has to offer. Continuing with Rot's analogy, the "top" at McDonalds still isn't enough to justify the career choice.


If porn staring really payed reasonable money, don't you think it would get more spotlight than it does? Girls fresh out of highschool would be lining up.

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Re: Is porn a legitimate business to go in to?

Post by Felix on Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:13 am

Rotaretilbo wrote:So are drugs, piracy, and a whole host of other things. I hope that's not your fallback point. Besides, that doesn't matter, because we again return to the initial question.
No, I was just saying it was legal in other parts of the world, since we're not using looking at the US.

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Is porn a legitimate career to intentionally go into or otherwise aspire to. The answer is no. Being a porn star requires no skills or abilities other than a willingness to do it,
You can't just go into it "willing to do anything" as it doesn't work like that. There are certain skills and abilities that you need to have in order to do it.

It's not "Ok, you two, have sex, go!"

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and you're going to be making jack shit unless you happen to be the absolute top (which you won't be). You'd probably be better off aspiring to be a fry cook or a cashier.
Again, it depends what you do, who you work for, and where you do it. Some make great money who aren't famous, some don't. But then again, the point of a career isn't doing it for money, it's doing it because it's what you want to do because you love it.

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In the end, you'll probably make a few hundred dollars on a one time deal, and will lose the respect of most anyone who finds out about it. You may talk all frilly about it, but honestly, you all know that the general populace in every day life does not respect porn as a career or even as an acceptable recreation. Unless all of your parents and friends are as "free-minded" as you, you'll have to keep it a secret and hope that they never find out.
But then again, the general populace is a bunch of idiots. Rather than care what they say, you should care about the people important to you have to say. And a lot of the time, while it is not their favorite thing for the individual to pursue, they will back them.

Then again, it is sort of the same thing with being gay. While at one time it was considered terrible, but with time inching on, it's not as big of a deal any more. Hopefully, and it seems like it, porn as a career choice will follow the same path.
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Re: Is porn a legitimate business to go in to?

Post by Felix on Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:16 am

CivBase wrote:
The question isn't about getting to the top, it's about what the top has to offer. Continuing with Rot's analogy, the "top" at McDonalds still isn't enough to justify the career choice.
Well again it depends on what you're looking for.


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If porn staring really payed reasonable money, don't you think it would get more spotlight than it does? Girls fresh out of highschool would be lining up.
There is no shortage of women going into the porn industry. Men on the other hand, is a different story.
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Re: Is porn a legitimate business to go in to?

Post by Rotaretilbo on Tue Sep 20, 2011 10:53 am

Felix wrote:No, I was just saying it was legal in other parts of the world, since we're not using looking at the US.

If your point was completely irrelevant this argument, why bring it up at all?

Felix wrote:You can't just go into it "willing to do anything" as it doesn't work like that. There are certain skills and abilities that you need to have in order to do it.

It's not "Ok, you two, have sex, go!"

You clearly need to spend more time on the Internet. Rule 34, my friend. Rule 34.

Felix wrote:Again, it depends what you do, who you work for, and where you do it. Some make great money who aren't famous, some don't. But then again, the point of a career isn't doing it for money, it's doing it because it's what you want to do because you love it.

By that line of thought, assassin is a valid career if you love killing people.

Felix wrote:But then again, the general populace is a bunch of idiots. Rather than care what they say, you should care about the people important to you have to say. And a lot of the time, while it is not their favorite thing for the individual to pursue, they will back them.

You see, you're changing the question now. The question wasn't "should people pursue whatever they want," it was "is porn a legitimate industry to go into." The term "legitimate" implies some level of approval from the general populace, or at least from someone other than yourself.

Felix wrote:Then again, it is sort of the same thing with being gay. While at one time it was considered terrible, but with time inching on, it's not as big of a deal any more. Hopefully, and it seems like it, porn as a career choice will follow the same path.

I don't particularly like this comparison. Being gay is a preference. Having sex for money is a lifestyle choice. You don't have to be flamboyant or offensive to be gay, but you pretty much have to be loose and a whore (or desperate) to have sex for money.

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Re: Is porn a legitimate business to go in to?

Post by Felix on Tue Sep 20, 2011 11:30 am

Rotaretilbo wrote:

If your point was completely irrelevant this argument, why bring it up at all?
I was merely pointing it out, really no point in bringing up drugs or piracy either, as they literally have no point here.

Rotaretilbo wrote:
You clearly need to spend more time on the Internet. Rule 34, my friend. Rule 34.
And you clearly don't know anything about porn. But rule 34 is a thing, I'll give you that.

Rotaretilbo wrote:
By that line of thought, assassin is a valid career if you love killing people.
There are multiple places you can go to make a career out of killing people, and all considered legitimate businesses or jobs at least. However, there are legitimate assassins out there, I hope you know that. But again, not a point needed to be made.

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You see, you're changing the question now. The question wasn't "should people pursue whatever they want," it was "is porn a legitimate industry to go into." The term "legitimate" implies some level of approval from the general populace, or at least from someone other than yourself.
But the two questions coexist together. And again they do have approval, some couldn't do it without the approval of their loved ones.

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I don't particularly like this comparison. Being gay is a preference. Having sex for money is a lifestyle choice. You don't have to be flamboyant or offensive to be gay, but you pretty much have to be loose and a whore (or desperate) to have sex for money.
But you don't, which I don't seem to think you're getting. Hell I've looked on the internet, and found more people doing it for themselves rather than for money.
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Re: Is porn a legitimate business to go in to?

Post by KristallNacht on Tue Sep 20, 2011 3:16 pm

Many amateur porn stars live in middle class simply from making amateur porn with their spouse, from their home. While supporting a child or two.

That doesn't make them whores does it? Having sex with their spouse?

And once again, being a one-time porn actress/actor isn't what we're talking about here. we're talking about those that make a living on it. The ones that have to learn how to represent themselves, have a business strategy, understand marketing. Go ask any amateur porn actress (that actually makes a living) and see if she's taken a class on business management, or something similar.

It's just sex. It's fun, like football. if you can make money doing it, you should probably try to. Being a pro football player doesn't make you a football whore.
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Re: Is porn a legitimate business to go in to?

Post by Lord Pheonix on Tue Sep 20, 2011 3:33 pm

Wouldn't the top of McDonalds be CEO?




Being CEO of McDonalds seems like a very good career choice to me.

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Re: Is porn a legitimate business to go in to?

Post by CivBase on Tue Sep 20, 2011 4:09 pm

You don't get a promotion from fry cook to CEO of McDonalds. CEOs and Laborers are entirely different careers. Store manager would be the highest possible position for a laborer.

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Re: Is porn a legitimate business to go in to?

Post by Lord Pheonix on Tue Sep 20, 2011 4:20 pm

But while being a laborer you take classes and do other things to go up the chain and become regional manager or higher.

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Re: Is porn a legitimate business to go in to?

Post by Rotaretilbo on Tue Sep 20, 2011 6:30 pm

Yes, but you miss the point. Aspiring to porn star is essentially aspiring to fry cook, not aspiring to CEO. You have just as much of a chance to become a very wealthy, famous porn star as you do to be noticed by corporate for your devotion as a store manager and be promoted to some upper division that actually pays money.

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Re: Is porn a legitimate business to go in to?

Post by KristallNacht on Tue Sep 20, 2011 8:57 pm

Rotaretilbo wrote:Yes, but you miss the point. Aspiring to porn star is essentially aspiring to fry cook, not aspiring to CEO. You have just as much of a chance to become a very wealthy, famous porn star as you do to be noticed by corporate for your devotion as a store manager and be promoted to some upper division that actually pays money.

Aspiring to PORN STAR, is aspiring to be a CEO. Aspiring to be a low grade fetish amateur porn actress would be closer to fry cook.
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