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Re: In this Thread: The best show ever

Post by Angatar on Sun Aug 05, 2012 11:16 pm

Guess it could be a good thing Firefly was cancelled. I still watch Burn Notice because it's entertaining, but it's getting a bit ridiculous.

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Re: In this Thread: The best show ever

Post by dragoon9105 on Mon Aug 06, 2012 1:20 am

Nah its not about who burned him anymore now they threw his girlfriend in jail, and then really did nothing with it besides an excuse to give jail survival tips everyone already knows.
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Re: In this Thread: The best show ever

Post by Rotaretilbo on Mon Aug 06, 2012 5:54 am

Because Firefly did not create an immediate, local conflict, it could be sustained for an extended period of time. While creating a local conflict like that in a TV series can lead to awesome suspense and build up, when it is the entire basis of the show, there's often a void once the local conflict is resolved. It is better to introduce local conflict once the show is established.

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Re: In this Thread: The best show ever

Post by dragoon9105 on Mon Aug 06, 2012 11:13 am

I dont know i think



Handles its local conflict pretty damn well.
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Re: In this Thread: The best show ever

Post by Rasq'uire'laskar on Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:43 pm

dragoon9105 wrote:I dont know i think



Handles its local conflict pretty damn well.
So, has he turned in a written confession to all his murders? Because that's the only way Dexter can get any sloppier.
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Re: In this Thread: The best show ever

Post by Lord Pheonix on Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:46 pm

You know who the best murderer is?




No the fuck you don't, cause he didn't get caught.

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Re: In this Thread: The best show ever

Post by Vtrooper on Mon Aug 06, 2012 5:37 pm

Oh if only you saw the season preview...

I REALLY wish i didn't...
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Re: In this Thread: The best show ever

Post by dragoon9105 on Mon Aug 06, 2012 11:47 pm

Also



Is my Current Favorite, Though i will admit i prefer the books a bit to the show.
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Re: In this Thread: The best show ever

Post by KrAzY on Tue Aug 07, 2012 12:06 am

game of thrones is good. but I personally dont really count HBO and Showtime shows when calculating best show on TV, since shows on those networks get like 10x the budget and aren't filtred for content.

also since GoT is a bookseries it isn't really new. Breaking Bad is a pretty unique show and the story is constantly going new unexpected directions
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Re: In this Thread: The best show ever

Post by KristallNacht on Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:59 pm

but also with breaking bad, there are events that are obviously just in there to make the story stay interesting. Otherwise it would have been about guy who makes meth and never has any life trouble because he's a smart business man dealing with smart business men.
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Re: In this Thread: The best show ever

Post by dragoon9105 on Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:30 pm

I think the term of that is Monster of the Week. Razz
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Re: In this Thread: The best show ever

Post by KrAzY on Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:33 pm

interesting plot developments to make a story interesting are what make shows good. name ONE good show or movie whose plot doesn't involve TONS of coincidence based around the protagonist.

there aren't any because a story without coincidence is bland and boring as fuck
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Re: In this Thread: The best show ever

Post by TNine on Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:24 pm

KrAzY wrote:interesting plot developments to make a story interesting are what make shows good. name ONE good show or movie whose plot doesn't involve TONS of coincidence based around the protagonist.

there aren't any because a story without coincidence is bland and boring as fuck
There's a trope for that.
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Re: In this Thread: The best show ever

Post by KristallNacht on Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:43 pm

KrAzY wrote:interesting plot developments to make a story interesting are what make shows good. name ONE good show or movie whose plot doesn't involve TONS of coincidence based around the protagonist.

there aren't any because a story without coincidence is bland and boring as fuck

I didn't feel that with breaking bad it was coincidence all too often. It was like "oh....I'm just gonna go do this REALLY stupid fucking thing, because otherwise this show would be too simple."

like when he went and killed the two gangsters that killed the little kid. It just seemed entirely stupid and without reason. BUT it kept the story going.
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Re: In this Thread: The best show ever

Post by KrAzY on Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:54 pm

an emotional drug addict find out that a kid who was pressured into killing one of his best friends has been murdered due to actions he has taken, and the kid is also the cousin of his current girlfriend who is also a meth addict, so he tries to take revenge?

of course its stupid, jessie isn't a character that makes rational descisions. if everyone made rational choices all of the time then none of them would be making meth. there is coincidence there, in the fact that the kid is related to his girlfriend, otherwise he probably wouldn't have given 2 shits about what happened

everything that happens is plot driven, of course the characters make mistakes, and they have to deal with the consequences of those mistakes. the only thing I would say that was really unnessicarily added to the plot was at the end of season 2 when the 2 planes crashed into eachother with no real nessicary reason or effects
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Re: In this Thread: The best show ever

Post by TNine on Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:46 pm

Having had the arguments we have had about Halo canon, i don't know how many of us are in a position to turn around and say "coincidences in the name of the plot are okay".
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Re: In this Thread: The best show ever

Post by KrAzY on Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:24 am

without coincidence there is no plot.

star wars would have been really fucking boring if the droids hadn't ended up coincidentally on tatooine and then on the sandcrawler that ended up at luke's home.


coincidence for plot doesn't mean that it is contrived or even unlikley. something that is probable to happen can still happen by coincidence. it isn't the same as deus ex machina.

example. Cortona jumped to a coordinate where she knew something forerunner was due to previous research. coincidentally it was a halo that contained the flood, which drove the plot of the end of the game. it COULD have been a mining facility with a few sentinals on it, but that would have been marginally less interesting.

it sure is coincidental that of all the holes to fall in Bilbo fell in the one with gollum and the ring.
it sure is a good thing that batmans parents were the first ones to leave the theatre, story wise
man, its nice that superman didn't land in the middle of the ocean.

coincidence is what allows plot to happen. it can be perfectly logical, but it is still coincidental

coincidence drives everything in storytelling. sometimes you later find out that things were pre-ordaned from the beginning to happen that way, which makes it conspiracy instead of coincidence, but those stories usually have the coincidental figuring out of the conspiracy that later drives the plot... ext


a bad use of a coincidence would be for no reason having a person stumble across the solution to all of their problems... as that would be contrived.


I'm not sure why I am explaining it to you if you have read the Anthropic principle...
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Re: In this Thread: The best show ever

Post by Rotaretilbo on Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:36 am

Jessie's character is irrational sometimes, but Cuntywhore McBitchfuck White needs to throw herself off a cliff.

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Re: In this Thread: The best show ever

Post by Lord Pheonix on Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:42 am

With a name like that I would think the character would be smart enough to stay away.


Unless she just goes by Ms.White.

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Re: In this Thread: The best show ever

Post by dragoon9105 on Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:05 pm

Rotaretilbo wrote:Jessie's character is irrational sometimes, but Cuntywhore McBitchfuck White needs to throw herself off a cliff.

I agree

and its because she is sleeping with the main character Lp, That's the ONLY reason she is still around.

Micheal, Jessie and Ash Williams (Sam) could carry the show without her.
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Re: In this Thread: The best show ever

Post by KristallNacht on Thu Aug 09, 2012 12:07 am

KrAzY wrote:an emotional drug addict find out that a kid who was pressured into killing one of his best friends has been murdered due to actions he has taken, and the kid is also the cousin of his current girlfriend who is also a meth addict, so he tries to take revenge?

of course its stupid, jessie isn't a character that makes rational descisions. if everyone made rational choices all of the time then none of them would be making meth. there is coincidence there, in the fact that the kid is related to his girlfriend, otherwise he probably wouldn't have given 2 shits about what happened

everything that happens is plot driven, of course the characters make mistakes, and they have to deal with the consequences of those mistakes. the only thing I would say that was really unnessicarily added to the plot was at the end of season 2 when the 2 planes crashed into eachother with no real nessicary reason or effects

I'm not talking about Jessie....I'm talking about....i can't believe i can't remember his name.....but obviously I'm talking about the person who ACTUALLY KILLED THE GUYS.
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Re: In this Thread: The best show ever

Post by KrAzY on Thu Aug 09, 2012 12:51 am

you mean walt? who killed the guys so that jessie wouldn't get murdred by them while stupidly trying to kill them himself?
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Re: In this Thread: The best show ever

Post by Lord Pheonix on Wed Mar 20, 2013 1:29 pm


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Re: In this Thread: The best show ever

Post by KrAzY on Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:29 pm

actually, the mom from malcom in the middle is going to be in the final 1/2 of the season, so....
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Re: In this Thread: The best show ever

Post by Lord Pheonix on Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:52 pm

It would be fantastic if that's how they ended it.

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