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The Simulation Argument

Post by Gauz on Thu Nov 08, 2012 6:58 am

http://www.simulation-argument.com/

Very interesting. We could be living in a simulation right now even, although the chances are small. According to that argument though they're actually pretty high o O


IF this technology is ever created, wouldn't everyone have to doubt the actual existence of ANY and ALL realities they experience? Who's to say if you were to 'wake up' from one reality simulation that you're not in another, and another, and another and so fourth...?

The philosophical implications are pretty neat at the very least.
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Re: The Simulation Argument

Post by KristallNacht on Thu Nov 08, 2012 8:03 am

inception?
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Re: The Simulation Argument

Post by Lord Pheonix on Thu Nov 08, 2012 8:23 am


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Re: The Simulation Argument

Post by CivBase on Thu Nov 08, 2012 9:00 am

Amazing.... it's almost as if digital logic were actually modeled after human logic. What a strange coincidence.

Sorry, but all I read was the first sentence of the abstract and I simply cannot take it seriously.

"This paper argues that at least one of the following propositions is true: (1) the human species is very likely to go extinct before reaching a “posthuman” stage"

Humans will no longer be around when they stop being humans? Is that the best grad school has to offer?

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Re: The Simulation Argument

Post by Avenged on Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:18 am

I believe a mathematician did a calculation and there is a 64% chance we are in a simulation.

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Re: The Simulation Argument

Post by CivBase on Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:21 am

Based on what?

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Re: The Simulation Argument

Post by dragoon9105 on Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:48 am

Base on his own experience within a Simulation? wait.. no... The Matrix, yea lets go with that.
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Re: The Simulation Argument

Post by KristallNacht on Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:38 pm

CivBase wrote:Based on what?

When he was driving really fast he could see the textures popping. He later found a flower with a few dead pixels on it.
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Re: The Simulation Argument

Post by CivBase on Thu Nov 08, 2012 5:39 pm

I guess that explains the screen tearing.

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Re: The Simulation Argument

Post by Nocbl2 on Thu Nov 08, 2012 5:39 pm

No wonder my followers would glitch out and attack me all the time.
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Re: The Simulation Argument

Post by KrAzY on Thu Nov 08, 2012 6:01 pm

a dumb hypothesis without any peer reviewed science backing it up that in the end is unfalsifiable and therefore a waste of scientific thought.

could it happen one day? maybe... but theres no reason to think we are in one now. you have no more reason to believe that than to believe that you came into exsistance 5 seconds ago with the memories of having lived your entire life
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Re: The Simulation Argument

Post by Dud Doodoo on Thu Nov 08, 2012 6:43 pm

KrAzY wrote:a dumb hypothesis without any peer reviewed science backing it up that in the end is unfalsifiable and therefore a waste of scientific thought.

could it happen one day? maybe... but theres no reason to think we are in one now. you have no more reason to believe that than to believe that you came into exsistance 5 seconds ago with the memories of having lived your entire life
That thought always fucked with me as a small child. How did I know it wasn't true when every reason I had to deny it came from my memory which was under question?

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Re: The Simulation Argument

Post by KrAzY on Thu Nov 08, 2012 6:51 pm

you dont know if its true or not, but if there is no way to test if it can be falsified then theres no point in worrying about it. science ignores unfalsifiable claims
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Re: The Simulation Argument

Post by KristallNacht on Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:39 pm

Maybe none of you are even real. Maybe I am the only real person.
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Re: The Simulation Argument

Post by Rotaretilbo on Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:44 pm

It's a curious point, but as KrAzY said, there's no way we could ever know or prove that all this is real, so why bother talking about it?

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Re: The Simulation Argument

Post by Lord Pheonix on Thu Nov 08, 2012 11:03 pm

Avenged wrote:I believe a mathematician did a calculation and there is a 64% chance we are in a simulation.



I would love to see what went into this formula.

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Re: The Simulation Argument

Post by Tylertlat on Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:53 am

Gauz wrote:

The philosophical implications are pretty neat at the very least.

Err, and what would those implications be?
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Re: The Simulation Argument

Post by KristallNacht on Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:31 am

that nothing fucking matters? Oh wait.....we already new that.
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Re: The Simulation Argument

Post by dragoon9105 on Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:29 am

But now nothing matters, Inside of a Simulation.
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Re: The Simulation Argument

Post by Vigil on Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:59 am

Tylertlat wrote:
Gauz wrote:

The philosophical implications are pretty neat at the very least.

Err, and what would those implications be?

That I am The Prisoner inside the Matrix.

A Ghost in the Shell of the Animus.

An unwilling Surrogate trapped in a holodeck.

From the Dark City to Tranquillity Lane.

It's all a conspiracy man.

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Re: The Simulation Argument

Post by Rasq'uire'laskar on Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:17 am

Vigil wrote:
Tylertlat wrote:
Gauz wrote:

The philosophical implications are pretty neat at the very least.

Err, and what would those implications be?

That I am The Prisoner inside the Matrix.

A Ghost in the Shell of the Animus.

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It's all a conspiracy man.
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Re: The Simulation Argument

Post by Gauz on Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:46 pm

It's like creationism except more fun.


... and inside a simulation. Very Happy
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Re: The Simulation Argument

Post by Kasrkin Seath on Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:43 pm

Gauz wrote:It's like creationism except more fun.


... and inside a simulation. Very Happy

Our existence being a simulation implies that there is a non-simulated existence in... well, existence. So somewhere down the line you end up with similar or the same philosophical views and such.

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Re: The Simulation Argument

Post by Dud Doodoo on Sun Nov 11, 2012 9:47 am

I view a simulation as an alternate universe contained inside of another universe...basically another form of something most scientists already believe in. It's an interesting topic because it suggests we have a future capacity to create worlds. This raises interesting questions on the role of humanity and sentient life in the universe. Do we have any sort of destiny in this one? Or is this just the nursery, with computers the gateway to release into inner realms?

Objectively, nothing in that world would be any less real than something in this world. Except maybe that the simulation is dependent on the functionality of this one.

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Re: The Simulation Argument

Post by Rotaretilbo on Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:47 pm

This simulation takes place over five seconds real time after we are born. It is used to cull out evil and stupid in their infancy. Our lives are judged, and should we display intelligence and honor in even mediocre forms, we are allowed to continue in life, reincarnate, with no memory of our simulations.

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