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The Best Gun

Post by Kasrkin Seath on Sun Dec 28, 2008 3:24 pm

This is the great debate for the Best Gun!
This is broken up into categories =

Rifles(Rifles, Carbines)
Sniper Rifles
Shotguns
Assault Rifles
SAW(Sub-machinegun, light machine gun)
Machine Gun
Handguns


*Anti-Vehicle weaponry does not qualify for this debate, this includes rocket propelled weapons, missiles and related weapons, including grenade launcher

After so many posibilities have been stated for a category, a poll will be held


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For the best shotgun, I am going to nominate the Remington 870 Series

The pump action shotgun was developed in the 1950's and has been the best selling shotgun in the U.S. since then with over 9 million sold. It is used by the public, the military and polices forces in various nations around the world(especially the U.S.). The amount of variants, ranging into the dozens, is the result of its wide use.

Key to its success is its ruggedness, durability and simplicity to use. Those qualities, stacked on top of the gun being inexpensive and very reliable took it to the top.

Page about it
I myself have an express version of it, cept its all black and is a super mag(can fire 3.5" shells)
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Re: The Best Gun

Post by Rasq'uire'laskar on Sun Dec 28, 2008 3:36 pm

Best handgun: Smith and Wesson 500. Most powerful production handgun EVER. Be sure to fire with both hands, but whatever you hit goes DOWN! It's the kind of sidearm you'd take with you when going big game hunting... for Elephants, Buffalo, or Grizzly.

Followed closely by the Kriss Super V. I suppose it's a submachine gun, but it looks neat, and has a rather interesting recoil mechanism to eliminate muzzle climb.
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Re: The Best Gun

Post by CivBase on Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:44 am

best hand gun: the ray gun from COD5 Tounge

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Re: The Best Gun

Post by KristallNacht on Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:36 am

Assault: TAVOR
Sniper: M107

and wtf is SAW? its SMG.....and an LMG is NOT the same thing as an SMG.
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Re: The Best Gun

Post by PiEdude on Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:42 pm

KristallNacht wrote:Assault: TAVOR
and wtf is SAW? its SMG.....and an LMG is NOT the same thing as an SMG.

TAVOR is the new Israeli assault rifle they're using to replace the M-16 and the Uzi, to everyone who doesn't know.

Oh, and SAW is Squad Automatic Weapon.
It's the LMG used by the support guy in an Army or Marine squad.
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Re: The Best Gun

Post by Onyxknight on Mon Dec 29, 2008 5:00 pm

Best rifle: M1 Garand: General patton himself said it was the best dam rifle in toe core (or something like that) and it was used in WWII until vietnam and i think limited use in other small conflicts.
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Re: The Best Gun

Post by Kasrkin Seath on Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:03 pm

KristallNacht wrote:Assault: TAVOR
Sniper: M107

and wtf is SAW? its SMG.....and an LMG is NOT the same thing as an SMG.
Squad Automatic Weapon, Normally a light machine gun but a sub-machine gun can be categorized as a SAW
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Re: The Best Gun

Post by Rasq'uire'laskar on Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:12 pm

Onyxknight wrote:Best rifle: M1 Garand: General patton himself said it was the best dam rifle in toe core (or something like that) and it was used in WWII until vietnam and i think limited use in other small conflicts.

Yeah... Patton later said that the Sturmgewehr was the gun of the Future.
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Re: The Best Gun

Post by Kasrkin Seath on Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:15 pm

erm...
Best Rifle: Im going to have to go with the M1 Carbine, just because my Grandpa has one and he let me shoot it one time

Assault Rifle: AK-47(its super durable, super reliable, cheap and easy to use)
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Re: The Best Gun

Post by Rotaretilbo on Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:24 pm

Alright, let's see. I hope no one minds if I just ignore the topic post and run with my own categories. Razz

Pistol

Heckler und Koch Ultimate Combat Pistol (H&K UCP)

Revolver

Colt Trooper Mk.V (Colt Whitetailer)

Submachine Gun

Brugger+Thomet Maschinepistole 9 (B+T MP9)

Rifle

Fallschirmjägergewehr 42 (FG42)

Assault Rifle

Fabrique Nationale Herstal SOF Combat Assault Rifle Mark 17 (FN SCAR-H)

Shotgun

Beretta A391 Xtrema2 (Beretta Xtrema2)

Sniper Rifle

Heckler und Koch Militär Schutzen Gewehr 90 Aufstell 1 (H&K MSG90A1)

Anti-Material Rifle

DSR-Precision DSR 50 (DSR-50)

Machine Gun

Heckler und Koch Maschinegewehr 4 (H&K MG4)

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Re: The Best Gun

Post by Kasrkin Seath on Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:30 pm

Those all pretty much fall into the categories anyways
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Re: The Best Gun

Post by Rasq'uire'laskar on Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:42 pm

Kasrkin Seath wrote:erm...
Best Rifle: Im going to have to go with the M1 Carbine, just because my Grandpa has one and he let me shoot it one time
Oh, God, I envy you.

Kasrkin Seath wrote:Assault Rifle: AK-47(its super durable, super reliable, cheap and easy to use)
The most produced weapon... ever. Even going back in modern times, it's amazing how much Kalashnikov got right.

Rotaretilbo wrote:
Rifle

Fallschirmjägergewehr 42 (FG42)

God, I love Her. Beautiful, isn't she? Slight problems with muzzle climb and clip balance, but she is my absolute favorite in RTCW and CoD.
I have a list of WWII weapons to acquire and fire, and the FG-42 is at the top.
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Re: The Best Gun

Post by Dud Doodoo on Mon Dec 29, 2008 7:17 pm

I don't feel like categorizing it, but since the BAR was actually invented in WWI, and it was still one of the best weapons in WWII, It has my vote.

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Re: The Best Gun

Post by BBJynne on Mon Dec 29, 2008 8:51 pm

AK-47 because it's durable and easy enough to use that all the militias and stuff use it... in America.

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Re: The Best Gun

Post by PiEdude on Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:25 pm

The AK has its drawbacks.

It's range is slightly more than half that of the M16, and it's not very accurate.

It's the perfect gun for guerilla warfare, but not as good for a formal military.
Perfect example being Afganistan in the 80's when the Soviets invaded.

The resisting tribes and the Russians both had the same gun, but the tribes were able to use it to greater effect, which is why the Russians decided to use helocopter raids instead.
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Re: The Best Gun

Post by Toaster on Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:28 pm

Pie wrote:which is why the Russians decided to use helocopter raids instead.

Which is why we handed the Afghans Stinger missile launchers!
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Re: The Best Gun

Post by Dud Doodoo on Mon Dec 29, 2008 10:19 pm

And trained them how to fight big armies with nothing but determination...

How ironic looking at our current situation.

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Re: The Best Gun

Post by Rotaretilbo on Tue Dec 30, 2008 1:13 am

The FG42 is an amazing weapon, I must admit. It is too bad it wasn't nearly as widely used as other German weapons during the war.

And while the you could bury a Kalashnikov in wet sand, leave it for a week, then dig it out, and it would still fire alright, weapons such as the AK-47 lack accuracy. Sure, it packs thrice the punch of an M16, but if I can get my shots of from further away, I have the advantage to some degree. Pie is right when he says Kalashnikovs are great for guerrilla warfare, because their are only useful if your enemy doesn't have the chance to take advantage of range. However, NATO is looking into producing more reliable, harder hitting weapons that conserve the range and accuracy of the M16 and M4 weapon systems, so the Kalashnikov's reign will eventually come to an end.

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Re: The Best Gun

Post by PiEdude on Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:47 am

Rotaretilbo wrote:The FG42 is an amazing weapon, I must admit. It is too bad it wasn't nearly as widely used as other German weapons during the war.

And while the you could bury a Kalashnikov in wet sand, leave it for a week, then dig it out, and it would still fire alright, weapons such as the AK-47 lack accuracy. Sure, it packs thrice the punch of an M16, but if I can get my shots of from further away, I have the advantage to some degree. Pie is right when he says Kalashnikovs are great for guerrilla warfare, because their are only useful if your enemy doesn't have the chance to take advantage of range. However, NATO is looking into producing more reliable, harder hitting weapons that conserve the range and accuracy of the M16 and M4 weapon systems, so the Kalashnikov's reign will eventually come to an end.

True, have you heard of the assault rifle Barrett is making?
It's supposed to have a TON of stopping power. It's also a similar configuration to the M16, so current soldiers wouldn't need to make much of a transition at all. I just can't remember the name.
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Re: The Best Gun

Post by Rasq'uire'laskar on Tue Dec 30, 2008 2:20 pm

PiEdude wrote:The AK has its drawbacks.

It's range is slightly more than half that of the M16, and it's not very accurate.

It's the perfect gun for guerilla warfare, but not as good for a formal military.
Perfect example being Afganistan in the 80's when the Soviets invaded.

The resisting tribes and the Russians both had the same gun, but the tribes were able to use it to greater effect, which is why the Russians decided to use helocopter raids instead.
And then we gave the guerrillas heat-seeking missiles. So much for that warm-water port. You guys know why Russia invaded Afghanistan, right?
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Re: The Best Gun

Post by Vtrooper on Tue Dec 30, 2008 2:38 pm

ok i say the XM-8 i think of it as the REAL DC-17 but uberer
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Re: The Best Gun

Post by PiEdude on Tue Dec 30, 2008 4:25 pm

Rasq'uire'laskar wrote:
PiEdude wrote:The AK has its drawbacks.

It's range is slightly more than half that of the M16, and it's not very accurate.

It's the perfect gun for guerilla warfare, but not as good for a formal military.
Perfect example being Afganistan in the 80's when the Soviets invaded.

The resisting tribes and the Russians both had the same gun, but the tribes were able to use it to greater effect, which is why the Russians decided to use helocopter raids instead.
And then we gave the guerrillas heat-seeking missiles. So much for that warm-water port. You guys know why Russia invaded Afghanistan, right?

Oil?
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Re: The Best Gun

Post by MrX on Tue Dec 30, 2008 6:22 pm

PiEdude wrote:
Rasq'uire'laskar wrote:
PiEdude wrote:The AK has its drawbacks.

It's range is slightly more than half that of the M16, and it's not very accurate.

It's the perfect gun for guerilla warfare, but not as good for a formal military.
Perfect example being Afganistan in the 80's when the Soviets invaded.

The resisting tribes and the Russians both had the same gun, but the tribes were able to use it to greater effect, which is why the Russians decided to use helocopter raids instead.
And then we gave the guerrillas heat-seeking missiles. So much for that warm-water port. You guys know why Russia invaded Afghanistan, right?

Oil?

no
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Re: The Best Gun

Post by KristallNacht on Tue Dec 30, 2008 7:14 pm

TAVOR is still better performance than all assault rifles nominated.

Better range, shorter weapon length, integrated night vision and laser sights and not sacrificing any power
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Re: The Best Gun

Post by Rasq'uire'laskar on Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:12 pm

PiEdude wrote:
Rasq'uire'laskar wrote:
PiEdude wrote:The AK has its drawbacks.

It's range is slightly more than half that of the M16, and it's not very accurate.

It's the perfect gun for guerilla warfare, but not as good for a formal military.
Perfect example being Afganistan in the 80's when the Soviets invaded.

The resisting tribes and the Russians both had the same gun, but the tribes were able to use it to greater effect, which is why the Russians decided to use helocopter raids instead.
And then we gave the guerrillas heat-seeking missiles. So much for that warm-water port. You guys know why Russia invaded Afghanistan, right?

Oil?
Guess again. The Russians had plenty of Oil, and Afghanistan has little to none.

Now look at a map of Russia. What don't you see? That's right, a warm-water port. Well, sure, there's one in the Black Sea, but NATO controlled the sole exit to the Black Sea... and the exit to that exit. Invading Afghanistan was a stepping stone to invading Pakistan, and then setting up a port that would be in service year-round.
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